sethj
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I like '80s Hair Metal and Guns
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Post by sethj on Feb 15, 2011 14:21:52 GMT -6
I listen to ALL kinds of music,.....New Metal, Country, Pop, Classical,......anything but RAP pretty much.
I know everyone hates the 80's hair metal I grew up with,....but when I really listen and compare to what i hear today.....what the mainstream media conglomerates say is GOOD,....I want to puke. The vocals now are for crap,...what happened to guys who could actually wail out the high notes?
I did hear some stuff i like from Avenge Sevenfold,...some pretty decent sweeping,....but man I almost never hear the complex lead parts like the old bands like Extreme, and Trixter, and Dokken, and all those bands that the new generation hates,....to me ,..they were masters of the art,...now it seems more like a watered down version of what was once good.
I know , I know,....opinions are like arseholes.......
But really take a listen and break it down note by note,......I find very little of what's popular now to be creative or complex,....and not requiring great skills for any average joe to be able to perform.
There are exceptions, I already know,...but I'm speaking en'masse.
Anyone else feel like this?
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Post by TheLivingDead on Feb 15, 2011 14:36:28 GMT -6
So you're saying pop music ***s? And you thought you'd be bashed for that? Come on buddy! I think you're in good company.
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sethj
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I like '80s Hair Metal and Guns
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Post by sethj on Feb 15, 2011 16:35:48 GMT -6
lol,..well,...good to know.
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Post by zenshredder on Feb 16, 2011 3:38:26 GMT -6
I'm right with you man, I feel the same way. Pop music today is not the pop that was in the 70s and 80s, today's pop is nothing buy garbage and people slacking in the music industry. People I know who like Lady Gaga try to defend her by saying "Oh, well she's being expressionistic" or something of the sort, but this is music, not a portrait, we use the sounds of our guitars and other assorted instruments to express the emotions, not through crazy stage shows and elaborate fashion statements. Other artists such as rap artists rely too much on software such as autotune because they have no musical talent and in my opinion should not even be in the music business in the first place because of that fact and that rap isn't even complex enough to be called music 1/2 the time. Rap pretty much follows a guideline of a simple drumbeat, some keyboard, a bass line, and maybe some crazy synth effects to wow those listening. I can go on and on about how rap isn't even music but I won't waste my time because that's for another place and time. Anyways, you are not the only one dude, I wish pop and rock and etc. were as today as they were 40 years ago.
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Post by MadAxeman on Feb 16, 2011 11:02:40 GMT -6
What you see on TV doesn't reflect what really are people's tastes.
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sethj
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Post by sethj on Feb 16, 2011 15:55:20 GMT -6
man I listen to a supposedly "rock" staion in Baton Rouge everyday on my drive into work. The garbage out there today is just pathetic. I heard a guy singing the other day in what I assume is a chart topper right now because I hear it everyday,....and I thought to myself,...holy crap,...the dude can't sing at all?!?! he's completely devoid of any vocal talent whatsoever,....what the hell is wrong with the industry today? I wish I could remember the name of the band,..you've prolly heard it. I mean,...ok,..I even admit some of the stuff I like from the '80s was a bit cheesy and yes they dressed like drag queens,...but underlying all that,..was some really great musicians,...and unbelievable singers.
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Post by venreskiller4 on Feb 27, 2011 14:42:57 GMT -6
I definitely agree with a lot of what's being said on this thread. For me, the downfall of rock occurred during the 90's with the start of grunge. Unfortunately, I live in the general area of the origination point of that phase (Seattle). The lead guitar disappeared and vocal ranges plummetted. However, I must say that there were some shining stars during that downfall like Chris Cornell's (Temple of the Dog) vocals on "Say Hello to Heaven." I hate his stuff with Audio Slave though.
Post grunge wasn't much better. Fortunately, bands started resurrecting the lead guitar. I really think the general rock listening public missed lead playing because you hear a lot more of it now than just a few years ago. Some of the current players have a lot of catching up with the 80's virtuosos, but at least it's happening. I think that MAB has a lot to do with the resurrence of the lead guitar.
With that said, I hope all the younger guys on this forum keep up the excellent work and show the rest of the world what excellent rock lead guitar playing is all about. It's reassuring to us older guys.
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sethj
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Post by sethj on Feb 28, 2011 13:16:06 GMT -6
venres,..yep your right,.....I 'm hearing a little more lead guitar everyday. no soul to it,.....but at least they're trying,..lol
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Post by Maxxxwell on Mar 2, 2011 17:50:25 GMT -6
Ok, I feel strongly about this...
I agree with most of what is being said here. I have to say though that, while there certainly are some top TOP pop stars who have ZERO musical skill, there are still plenty of people in the industry who DO have "talent". IMO it's more of an EXTREME lack of substance. Mainstream rock and pop music has gotten TOTALLY formulaic.
Here's the deal: Record companies are in the toilet. They can't take financial risks. That means they won't take a chance on anything that doesn't fit an established profile. Their line of thinking is this: "Ok, what is making money right now? Ok, and does this new band fit that same description? No? Ok, let's forget it."
But see, bands/artists know this. They know what record companies are looking for. So they think "Ok, we'll if we want to get a record deal, then we have to be just like this..."
So you end up with bands/artists that are more and more similar, less risky, more watered down, less offensive, etc. And it's a continuous cycle. Until the major record companies either go totally under or through a massive management change...
Oh and about the 90's. I don't like Grunge at all, but at least it's influence was contained mostly to the USA. If you look outside the US, some great albums came out in the 90's. Acts like Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Manowar, Anthem, U.D.O., Impellitteri, Ring of Fire, etc. released some of their best records in the 90's.
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sethj
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I like '80s Hair Metal and Guns
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Post by sethj on Mar 2, 2011 18:11:21 GMT -6
I've been hearing Avenge Sevenfold on the radio,...the actually have some shredding,....but I swear there's absolutely no soul,..or feeling to it at all,.....completely emotionless. Well at least they're making an attempt at music,....lol
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Post by Syv on Mar 4, 2011 2:15:22 GMT -6
well...it comes to show you that people just need to stop listening to the radio to find new music. If people just like listening to the radio, that's fine. But there are plenty of sites on the net to find great interesting music and it's available to ANYONE who is willing to search for it. Not to sound cliche', but the internet has changed everything and the times have changed a lot. These days, so many people have more diverse taste in music because of it.
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Post by kingofdarkness (red Panda) on Mar 6, 2011 7:39:31 GMT -6
The internet is definitley a big game changer in the music scene. So many smaller bands get a chance because they can spread their demos and stuff through the internet.
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Post by blackjack on Aug 14, 2011 16:24:16 GMT -6
This interview with Yngwie Malmsteen is very appropriate to this thread.
None of the musicians who want to be virtuosos are making their way onto the radio or television in America these days. When Yngwie came to America in the early 80's, being a virtuoso guitarist was not the way that musicians were making it onto the radio or TV either but Yngwie made his own way to mainstream recognition by the mid-80's despite playing music that as one poster put it, did not fit an established profile. Around the same time, bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and SLayer were also making it their own way, playing music that certainly didn't fit any established profiles that record companies had already had success with. Nevertheless, these guys made their own way into mainstream recognition. People aren't doing that these days.
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Post by deviantnature on Aug 22, 2011 22:29:56 GMT -6
Why are screamo type vocals so copied and so well received the last 10 years? Back in the 80's when I was in original metal projects, you HAD to be original. Influence could show but not duplicated. Today's screamers all sound exactly the same and could be replaced like underwear. Bands today also have the lamest leads. I remember holding my breath waiting for each Judas Priest album to hear what they'd do next. The idustry who controls so much really needs to step up and create a "Standard" to be followed ,not download whores that ride every advertising spot and placed in the fake Top 10 chart. You have a bunch of karaoke singers that end up lip-synching live shows. Not to mention all of the software programs that do good for certain apps but totally dehumanize in the same breath. Antares has created singers that can't sing and all of the so called "Beat Producers" that sell royalty free beats need to disappear. Every rapper sounds like Lil' Wayne / Rick Ross which is as annoying as all the screamo / emo queers out there. I like aggression but by artists with talent. Destruction, Tankard, Sodom, Bloodfeast, Blessed Death, Kreator, Exodus, Slayer, Forbidden, Vio-lence, Bathory, Onslaught, D.B.C., Coroner, Prong, Whiplash, Metal Church, Sepultura & many others made the 80's killer. Nu-metal had a few highlights in the millenium's start but blahhhhhhhhh. We need singers with range and something to say. We need guitarists that not only know theory but a flavorful approach to create feeling.
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Post by blackjack on Aug 23, 2011 21:57:51 GMT -6
Why are screamo type vocals so copied and so well received the last 10 years? Back in the 80's when I was in original metal projects, you HAD to be original. Influence could show but not duplicated. Today's screamers all sound exactly the same and could be replaced like underwear. Bands today also have the lamest leads. I remember holding my breath waiting for each Judas Priest album to hear what they'd do next. The idustry who controls so much really needs to step up and create a "Standard" to be followed ,not download whores that ride every advertising spot and placed in the fake Top 10 chart. You have a bunch of karaoke singers that end up lip-synching live shows. Not to mention all of the software programs that do good for certain apps but totally dehumanize in the same breath. Antares has created singers that can't sing and all of the so called "Beat Producers" that sell royalty free beats need to disappear. Every rapper sounds like Lil' Wayne / Rick Ross which is as annoying as all the screamo / emo queers out there. I like aggression but by artists with talent. Destruction, Tankard, Sodom, Bloodfeast, Blessed Death, Kreator, Exodus, Slayer, Forbidden, Vio-lence, Bathory, Onslaught, D.B.C., Coroner, Prong, Whiplash, Metal Church, Sepultura & many others made the 80's killer. Nu-metal had a few highlights in the millenium's start but blahhhhhhhhh. We need singers with range and something to say. We need guitarists that not only know theory but a flavorful approach to create feeling. I don't know why but a lot of the blame has to be placed on the more recent generations of kids that don't DEMAND quality music like kids in the 80's did. I don't think the current generation of kids is as rebellious as previous generations were either. My generation did NOT listen to the music our parents listened to. Starting around the year 2000 or so, I found that kids were listening to their parents music instead of creating something unique of their own. They even started cutting their hair short like their parents. Nothing about them seemed like they wanted to have something unique for their own generation. I think a little more of a rebellious spirit is healthy for teenagers. Otherwise they end up with the music of today. They just accept whatever the record companies tell them to like. They don't think for themselves. I know there are exceptions, probably many on this forum, but I'm speaking about kids these days in general - there are always exceptions.
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Post by Pain on Aug 2, 2012 5:43:34 GMT -6
Fine topic. With all the mallcore musicians running amok, its wise not to tune on the radio or MTV for that matter. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold (abbr. to A7x, imagine that!) and other such equally worthless crap now represents the state of mainstream metal music. To the teenagers of my generation, they seem to be the elite of the elite, the actual metal gods. Just head over to a site called www.the-top-tens.com and have a look at their music lists there, you'll see the tragedy. Talentless pieces of garbage are getting recognition, while the real musicians are working like asses to get heard. Thats the way it has always been, but as of late this phenomenon seems to be fairly more in abundance.
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Post by Carlos Lobo on Aug 14, 2012 16:13:43 GMT -6
This generation makes me feel really sad. Every day that goes by people are giving more and more credit to mediocrity. An example of what I said is Hard Rock Café in Lisbon that hires bands to play ridiculous Pop covers all the time only to have a bigger audience and make more money. All of the Portuguese capital rejects heavy metal and embraces "caveman music", which is a flattering term to the mainstream $hit that's been coming out of the record companies. There isn't in the hole city at least one bar where you could go play instrumental prog songs by yourself. There is only one heavy metal bar, that is really ancient, and only allows entire bands to perform there. I hope that Michael Angelo Batio doesn't give up on trying to come play in Lisbon because of what I'm saying, because there are a lot of people who would come to Lisbon just to see him play. But for a musician like me, the only break that I have playing solo is playing on another cities away from Lisbon. I can't understand the discrimination for heavy metal these days. People are getting the wrong impression about it, thinking it's just noise or whatever. Looks like all the good musicians are surrounded by children who don't know anything about anything and buy all the easy crap that's announced on TV.
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