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Jun 22, 2011 15:30:39 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 22, 2011 15:30:39 GMT -6
Hey Everyone, I'm thinking about buying a new guitar soon and im deadlocked. Here are my options:
Fender American Standard Strat Gibson Les Paul Studio Pro Faded Dean MAB1 Armorflame Ibanez S5470
Also i currently play a Ibanez RG350DX and im looking for something that can shred, sweep and low action.
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Jun 22, 2011 16:49:51 GMT -6
Post by S-H on Jun 22, 2011 16:49:51 GMT -6
Well you can shred on all of those guitars and (as long as adjusted by someone that knows what they're doing) getting a pretty low action on all of them
It depends entirely on what sound you want so that's the question you have to ask (and answer) yourself.
Once you've decided what sound you want then post another thread stating "I want this sound, which guitar from the following would you recommend?"
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Jun 22, 2011 18:22:11 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 22, 2011 18:22:11 GMT -6
well just a question do you think the american strats can shred, but would it buzz say under a heavy duel rectifier tone?
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Jun 22, 2011 20:16:41 GMT -6
Post by loudguitar on Jun 22, 2011 20:16:41 GMT -6
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Jun 22, 2011 22:10:05 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 22, 2011 22:10:05 GMT -6
that's mad i would probs need a humbucker wouldn't i?
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Jun 23, 2011 4:26:53 GMT -6
Post by zacot12345 on Jun 23, 2011 4:26:53 GMT -6
Well, the Yngwie sig has stacked single coil pups, not sure how it works, but it gives a humbucker tone to it. Also, my last guitar was an Ibanez 350MDX (which is virtually identical to the RG350DX) I now have the Armorflame and I have no regrets. I chose the Armorflame because it was designed as a shred guitar, by a shredder, for a shredder and Dean is an excellent company. The Yngwie sig is amazing, however I didn't want to shell out the amount of money it costs and possibly not like it because of the scalloped fretboard. There is so much controversy over what a scalloped neck does to tone and playability, that I'd rather leave it alone. As for the Gibson and the other Fender, well neither company produces many "shredder guitars". I mean someone could make it work, it just seems out of place for me. You could stick with Ibanez, they work with quite a few shredders and their mid to high end guitars are actually pretty nice compared to the cheaper models. That's my opinion.
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Jun 23, 2011 7:08:30 GMT -6
Post by loudguitar on Jun 23, 2011 7:08:30 GMT -6
aburge, as Steve said, it really depends on the sound you are looking for. Except for the Fender's, all the other guitars you listed have humbucking pick-ups. If you are listening to players using humbuckers, and you are liking that sound, you probably do want a humbucker at least in bridge position. zacot, the stacked humbucker looks, acts and mostly sounds like a single coil, as it only "picks-up" the sound in one field (one row of pole pieces). Because it is actually two coils stacked one atop the other, you get the benefit of the humbucking (or hum canceling) because there are two coils working, although only one is picking up the string vibration. The real advantage to the stacked P/U is they are quiet, while a standard single coil has inherent hum, especially with distortion. The HS-3 is a very hot P/U, but still has a single coil tone. And there is not much controversy about a scalloped neck among those who are familiar with playing one, although if you haven't played one you would certainly want to try one out a few times before committing to that guitar. The scalloped neck allows much greater control over touch and vibrato, but also requires a more skilled player to use it correctly. A light touch is a must, Yngwie has a VERY light touch, and his sig guitar is built to be played that way.
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Jun 23, 2011 15:18:02 GMT -6
Post by karo123 on Jun 23, 2011 15:18:02 GMT -6
I chose armorflame.Cant complain.
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Jun 23, 2011 16:04:55 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 23, 2011 16:04:55 GMT -6
Ok thanks guys, its just a hard choice because i love shredding and plus i also like playing jazz and blues guitar.
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Jun 23, 2011 16:46:16 GMT -6
Post by S-H on Jun 23, 2011 16:46:16 GMT -6
well just a question do you think the american strats can shred, but would it buzz say under a heavy duel rectifier tone? A quality player can "shred" on 99% of the guitars in the world. I've heard tonnes of players in guitar shops play fast (though not necessarily "metal") on standard Fender strats. It really depends on the skill of the player. Granted, there are probably easier to guitars to play fast on, especially for players who are beginner to intermediate level, but there isn't really a guitar that is impossible to play fast on- past the adjustment period. The bigger issue, I think, is your choice of amp & that it doesn't really lend itself to a delicious lead tone. If you have you heart set on this amp then needless to say, since I'm not the one paying for it, go for it but there are many better (and probably cheaper) amps for lead guitar playing IMHO. Ha. But can the player... ;D
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Jun 23, 2011 18:07:38 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 23, 2011 18:07:38 GMT -6
Yeah my amp isn't that amazing on tone but i bypass the signal to the back AUX input with my ME-70 where it is purely like a stereo and i just use preamp and tones on my pedal. yeah im probably gonna get the MAB1 but i know it is possible to shred on an American Strat but will it get the "60 cycle buzz" on say a rectifier setting?
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Jun 23, 2011 19:58:31 GMT -6
Post by loudguitar on Jun 23, 2011 19:58:31 GMT -6
"But can the player... "Usually well enough to get my point across, lol! At least on a good day aburge, any and all single coil pick ups will generate a 60 cycle hum, which will be emphasized even more with heavy distortion. The reason a double coil pick up is called a humbucker is because it "bucks the hum", as in gets rid of it. The two coils wired in opposite directions cancel the hum generated by a single coil. That is why a humbucker is quieter. It sounds fuller because it picks up the strings in 2 fields, one above each coil. So an American Standard Strat with 3 single coils will buzz with any amp, more with increased distortion. The Yngwie strat will not buzz because of the stacked humbuckers, but will also not sound as full or "fat" as a guitar with a humbucker.
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Jun 24, 2011 0:28:44 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 24, 2011 0:28:44 GMT -6
Ok thanks for the info
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Jun 24, 2011 16:38:10 GMT -6
Post by S-H on Jun 24, 2011 16:38:10 GMT -6
aburge,
I actually meant the dual rectifier, not your current amp. For the amount you pay for it, you don't get anything other than a mediocre lead tone from it.
There are many other better amps just in Mesa's product line up IMO.
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Jun 24, 2011 16:41:59 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 24, 2011 16:41:59 GMT -6
ok thanks yeah I was seeing if you can play a strat through high gain so i used the dual rectifier as an example
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Jun 27, 2011 14:15:09 GMT -6
Post by Raj on Jun 27, 2011 14:15:09 GMT -6
Here's my take as I used to use the Fender Yngwie Strat as my main guitar for awhile.
You can play a Strat just fine through high gain, just use some stacked single coils. Lou described it pretty well and I'd second pretty much everything he said. The only difference I'd point out is that the HS-3 is not a "hot" pickup so to speak, either in terms of output or "disortedness/heaviness" , it's a very low output pickup that's pretty clear. However it does sound amazing through a high gain amp. If you use a strat through a high gain amp (or through any amp really) you'd want to get a nice overdrive or distortion pedal to put in front of your amp. The great strat users in the shred world , like Yngwie/Stump/Impellitteri etc...usually use the DOD YJM overdrive or the Ibanez Tubescreamer.
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Jun 27, 2011 17:33:10 GMT -6
Post by Maxxxwell on Jun 27, 2011 17:33:10 GMT -6
My vote is for the MAB1 or the Ibanez.
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Jun 27, 2011 17:41:36 GMT -6
Post by Raj on Jun 27, 2011 17:41:36 GMT -6
My vote is for the MAB1 or the Ibanez. Yeah those two are very good options as well. I like the Strat more personally but it really depends what the guy is looking for. Actually the 4 guitars he listed are pretty different and have very little in common although any of them can and have been used by great shred players, so it depends on what you're looking for. For me personally, I also just like the "image" of the Strat as it seems to be the symbol of the neoclassical genre, although obviously there are some limitations with only 21/22 frets and no floyd rose. On an unrelated note Maxwell I like your shred playing, good stuff!
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Jun 28, 2011 5:27:10 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 28, 2011 5:27:10 GMT -6
I think the MAB and Ibanez are amazing for shredding but i love the strats tone like with Yngwies setup. so its a hard choice for me
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Jun 29, 2011 10:12:06 GMT -6
Post by Erikrt123 on Jun 29, 2011 10:12:06 GMT -6
I would say tonality wise with the right PUPS Les Paul's are unbeatable. However, I don't feel they weren't really meant for flat out shred. 22 fret, build for sustain, so on. Not say it can't be done, but it isn't the typical straight ahead shred guitar. However I love Les Paul's and they are now my guitar of choice.
As far as American Strats go they made one with a push button on the volume knob. It is an amazing guitar that gives you great versatility. I found a nice Yngwie tone with it upon trying one out in combo with a Marshall tube amp. Great guitar for the price. I wish I could remember the exact model. I might look into it and get back to you on that.
I haven't played the Dean MAB 1 tbh. But, I have a had a MAB sig guitar. I would say it prob is gonna be your best option for a shred guitar. MAB knows his tone and sound very well. The necks are really conducive to fast playing. The frets are high giving it a bit of a scalloped sound/feel at least in my opinion. The amorflame paint gives it a neoclassical vibe to it at least how I view it.
Just my opinions/ thoughts.
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Jun 29, 2011 16:51:39 GMT -6
Post by S-H on Jun 29, 2011 16:51:39 GMT -6
The Gibson LP Studio Pro's pickups aren't the best for shred though IMHO.
They are more geared towards classic rock.
I actually think you'd need to change the pickups on all the listed guitars barring the Dean MAB. Many players sound good playing fast on EMG's- Andy James, Jeff Loomis, Michael Romeo (when he was with ESP) so if you can play on a Floyd Rose bridge (which I can't) then that's the only guitar you could use "off the shelf" plus the fact it's alder with EMG's alloys you to tune down to "*** yourself" tunings whilst retaining note definition.
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Jun 29, 2011 20:56:04 GMT -6
Post by Raj on Jun 29, 2011 20:56:04 GMT -6
The Gibson LP Studio Pro's pickups aren't the best for shred though IMHO. They are more geared towards classic rock. I actually think you'd need to change the pickups on all the listed guitars barring the Dean MAB. Many players sound good playing fast on EMG's- Andy James, Jeff Loomis, Michael Romeo (when he was with ESP) so if you can play on a Floyd Rose bridge (which I can't) then that's the only guitar you could use "off the shelf" plus the fact it's alder with EMG's alloys you to tune down to "*** yourself" tunings whilst retaining note definition. Yeah I agree with Steve. I don't really like the given pickups on any of the guitars listed except the Dean , but a pickup change isn't a huge deal, so it shouldn't really be a determining factor either. In general I like single coils or stacked single coils, but yes, EMG's are my favorite humbuckers for shred. I think they offer the best clarity for faster stuff and definition during sweeps. I really like Romeo's lead tone, it's my favorite lead tone for someone using humbuckers. Although, Romeo says he often used the Dimarzio Tone Zone in the neck position in a lot of his ESPs as well . On the flip side I dont really like Romeo's rhythm tone as I find it too scooped and lacking a good midrange cut, but that's more of the amp settings he chooses.
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Jun 30, 2011 5:14:08 GMT -6
Post by aburge15 on Jun 30, 2011 5:14:08 GMT -6
i dig the sound of strats but im worried about it buzzing in live performances, but when i get this guitar im probably getting the armorflame soon after for all the shredding needs
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Jun 30, 2011 6:37:15 GMT -6
Post by loudguitar on Jun 30, 2011 6:37:15 GMT -6
aburge, if you really like the Strat/single coil sound, but don't want buzzing, check the American Fenders with noisless pick-ups, that would be the American Deluxe Strat, I believe, or get the Am. Standard and swap out pick-ups for the DiMarzio HS series. That would be similar to the Yngwie Strat then, but without scalloped neck. Raj is right, swapping the P/U's is not a big deal. Let's see some pics when you get whatever you decide to get
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Jun 30, 2011 15:40:48 GMT -6
Post by Erikrt123 on Jun 30, 2011 15:40:48 GMT -6
This the the Strat I was talking about. I really liked the neck on it as well. Personally I didn't see nothing wrong with the pups on this. www.fender.com/products/americandeluxe/models.php?prodNo=011920I almost bought one and may in the future. That candy apple red is real nice. If memory serves me right they come with a hard shell case as well.
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