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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -6
I'm trying to find some threads on inside picking technique. I only just discovered its existence yesterday! I can do the standard alternate picking. Do any of you use this type of picking when playing? Does MAB use this picking technique? I'm curious to know what it brings to persons playing. Does it create a different sound or is it used to create more speed.
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Post by blackjack on Jul 24, 2015 5:49:09 GMT -6
How are you defining "inside picking"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 2:20:18 GMT -6
How are you defining "inside picking"? When you do alternate picking the standard way of moving from one string to another is to jump to the next string and pick that string from the outside. Inside picking is the reverse of that where you start the pick from the inside of the the string and then jump to the next string and pick it from the inside. This is what I think it is anyway! Its not something I have ever heard of before or studied properly. To me is a combination of alternate picking and economy picking. I found a video here from Troy Grady so you can see a slow motion video. He doesnt explain pick slanting in this video and thats another area im not too familiar with. Ill post tthe video and a link to his web page if anyone wants to know more. Pick slanting explanation: troygrady.com/2015/01/08/the-difference-between-pickslanting-and-edge-picking/ |
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Post by Blue on Jul 27, 2015 4:17:37 GMT -6
I don't use it in my playing but that is probably because I ***  . As far as sound goes I don't know if it makes a huge difference I think that has more with the actual attack you have on the string. I can imagine that it's easier to have an aggressive attack with alternate picking tho. Joe Stump uses inside picking, I remember having a TAB from one of his songs where he utilizes this technique. I never really bothered to learn it, feels really akward to me. |
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Post by blackjack on Jul 30, 2015 8:55:16 GMT -6
OK Falcon, I know exactly what you mean by "inside picking." It has nothing to do with economy picking as all picktrokes are still in the alternate pattern (downstroke, upstroke, downtroke, upstroke, etc.) Licks can also be started with an upstroke but, the pattern is still alternate picking because there are no consecutive upstrokes or consecutive downstrokes. It is used by people when they are playing a pattern that allows it to be used. Some people purposely create all their licks so they can be accomplished with using all inside picking. It is used to try to be able to play faster, especially by those who have trouble with "outside picking" - the opposite of inside picking. It is not used to achieve a specific tone as It does not change tone at all! Frankly I wouldn't bother with trying to only inside pick as it will limit the types of licks you are able to play since many licks cannot be played using strictly inside picking no matter whether you begin them with an upstroke or downstroke! If their is anything about this I didn't explain fully enough for your satisfaction, tell me exactly what parts of this post you'd like me to expound upon. |
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Post by blackjack on Jul 30, 2015 9:26:44 GMT -6
I don't use it in my playing but that is probably because I *** . As far as sound goes I don't know if it makes a huge difference I think that has more with the actual attack you have on the string. I can imagine that it's easier to have an aggressive attack with alternate picking tho. Joe Stump uses inside picking, I remember having a TAB from one of his songs where he utilizes this technique. I never really bothered to learn it, feels really akward to me. It shouldn't feel awkward to you. You should be comfortable using both inside and outside picking. Right now inside picking is a weak point for you and that is one reason why you believe you ****. It is best for you to be proficient at outside and inside picking as well as licks that require some of each. Otherwise there will be some licks you can't play properly and it will limit you as a player. Only by learning to be proficient in all types of picking including outside, inside, a combination of inside and outside picking with a lick, economy picking or as MAB calls it "alternative picking", sweep picking, and being able to do all of these with either muted picking or unmuted picking will you keep yourself from being limited to playing only certain types of licks with a certain type of tone such as muted or not muted. You'll notice that, for example, MAB's picking position he used for "warp speed"licks does not give him the option of using palm muting. That's an example of one's technique limiting his choices of the tone he wants to get You must attempt to master all the above picking styles and patterns if it's your goal to be able to play any lick with which you could possibly be presented with in the future at the speed at which you want to play it and with the sound (muted or not muted) you desire for the lick to have. |
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Post by Blue on Jul 30, 2015 11:39:15 GMT -6
I don't use it in my playing but that is probably because I *** . As far as sound goes I don't know if it makes a huge difference I think that has more with the actual attack you have on the string. I can imagine that it's easier to have an aggressive attack with alternate picking tho. Joe Stump uses inside picking, I remember having a TAB from one of his songs where he utilizes this technique. I never really bothered to learn it, feels really akward to me. It shouldn't feel awkward to you. You should be comfortable using both inside and outside picking. Right now inside picking is a weak point for you and that is one reason why you believe you ****. It is best for you to be proficient at outside and inside picking as well as licks that require some of each. Otherwise there will be some licks you can't play properly and it will limit you as a player. Only by learning to be proficient in all types of picking including outside, inside, a combination of inside and outside picking with a lick, economy picking or as MAB calls it "alternative picking", sweep picking, and being able to do all of these with either muted picking or unmuted picking will you keep yourself from being limited to playing only certain types of licks with a certain type of tone such as muted or not muted. You'll notice that, for example, MAB's picking position he used for "warp speed"licks does not give him the option of using palm muting. That's an example of one's technique limiting his choices of the tone he wants to get You must attempt to master all the above picking styles and patterns if it's your goal to be able to play any lick with which you could possibly be presented with in the future at the speed at which you want to play it and with the sound (muted or not muted) you desire for the lick to have. To be honest I don't really have time (desire) to play guitar that much anymore. I'm fine with the techniques I feel comfortable with I really don't have any desire to be a super virtuoso, I only play guitar for fun. I'm not a professional musician nor do I aspire to be. Inside picking feels weird because it's not the usual technique you leard, I bet 99% of all guitarists feel that way. It is a technique that I think requires a lot of practice, for most normally talanted humans. You need a lot of control in your picking to master it, compared to sweeping (across many strings) which is very easy to learn the picking part of. And yes if you aspire to be a great guitarist you really should practice it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 11:19:28 GMT -6
OK Falcon, I know exactly what you mean by "inside picking." It has nothing to do with economy picking as all picktrokes are still in the alternate pattern (downstroke, upstroke, downtroke, upstroke, etc.) Licks can also be started with an upstroke but, the pattern is still alternate picking because there are no consecutive upstrokes or consecutive downstrokes. It is used by people when they are playing a pattern that allows it to be used. Some people purposely create all their licks so they can be accomplished with using all inside picking. It is used to try to be able to play faster, especially by those who have trouble with "outside picking" - the opposite of inside picking. It is not used to achieve a specific tone as It does not change tone at all! Frankly I wouldn't bother with trying to only inside pick as it will limit the types of licks you are able to play since many licks cannot be played using strictly inside picking no matter whether you begin them with an upstroke or downstroke! If their is anything about this I didn't explain fully enough for your satisfaction, tell me exactly what parts of this post you'd like me to expound upon. Thank's for the explanation BlackJack. Yes, I think I understand. I think I will stick to outside picking for now until I know more. I am learning sweep picking at the moment and trying to perfect my palm muting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 11:26:01 GMT -6
I don't use it in my playing but that is probably because I *** . As far as sound goes I don't know if it makes a huge difference I think that has more with the actual attack you have on the string. I can imagine that it's easier to have an aggressive attack with alternate picking tho. Joe Stump uses inside picking, I remember having a TAB from one of his songs where he utilizes this technique. I never really bothered to learn it, feels really akward to me. I'm sure your not that bad! lol  Yes, I dont think it does makes much of a difference in the sound, probably more to do with getting more speed. I didnt know Joe Stump used inside picking. I read somewhere that Vinnie Moore uses the technique, that's where I heard about it.. |
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Post by Blue on Aug 1, 2015 14:46:55 GMT -6
I don't use it in my playing but that is probably because I *** . As far as sound goes I don't know if it makes a huge difference I think that has more with the actual attack you have on the string. I can imagine that it's easier to have an aggressive attack with alternate picking tho. Joe Stump uses inside picking, I remember having a TAB from one of his songs where he utilizes this technique. I never really bothered to learn it, feels really akward to me. I'm sure your not that bad! lol Yes, I dont think it does makes much of a difference in the sound, probably more to do with getting more speed. I didnt know Joe Stump used inside picking. I read somewhere that Vinnie Moore uses the technique, that's where I heard about it.. Yes Vinnie probably uses it too, he's a true virtuoso and he master all techniques. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:53:12 GMT -6
Yeah Vinnie is a great player. I bought one of his early music album "Time Odyssy" a few weeks ago. I'm playing it in the car right now. It great. I love his version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" I'm a George Harrison fan and he was always my favourite Beatle. I think I'm going to get "Minds Eye" next.
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Post by Blue on Aug 9, 2015 5:03:45 GMT -6
Yes Vinnie is a great player and musician. I wasn't too fond of him when I first heard him but after listening through his entire catalogue I changed my mind. All his older albums are masterpieces IMO. I don't think his new albums are as good but the last great one is "The Maze" I think. Really great album.
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Post by blackjack on Aug 9, 2015 19:49:00 GMT -6
Yeah Vinnie is a great player. I bought one of his early music album "Time Odyssy" a few weeks ago. I'm playing it in the car right now. It great. I love his version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" I'm a George Harrison fan and he was always my favourite Beatle. I think I'm going to get "Minds Eye" next. Absolutely get Mind's Eye next! It's my favorite Vinnie Moore album. The whole first side of the record (I have it on vinyl) is just one incredible song after another. Side 2 is still excellent as well. This is an album with melodies that you will remember long after listening to the album unlike a lot of shred albums which don't have melodies that are very memorable. |
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Post by Blue on Aug 10, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -6
Yes Vinnie is a great composer. He really writes music and doesn't overplay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 4:14:49 GMT -6
My "Minds Eye" arrived this morning ready to listen to that in the car. |
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Post by blackjack on Sept 5, 2015 10:32:03 GMT -6
My "Minds Eye" arrived this morning ready to listen to that in the car. How do you like it so far? Do you have a favorite song or songs on it yet? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 5:13:43 GMT -6
Its really good. I like all of the songs but can't pick a favourite. I just keep playing it in the car when I'm out and about. I read a post on facebook that he has a new cd coming out soon. If anyone is interested they can pre order here: www.pledgemusic.com/projects/vinniemoore |
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Post by Blue on Sept 7, 2015 14:32:28 GMT -6
Every single song from Mind's Eye is a masterpiece but if I had to pick just one favourite I'd say N.N.Y, it's such a great shred piece  |
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