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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 14:01:14 GMT -6
OK guys, this took way longer than i thought it would, and than it should have done :lol: , but i`ve finally compiled a pretty big collection of fast alternate picking 1 second clips, with a fast and slow version of each clip! I suppose one of the things i learned from doing all this is that there are a load of people who can get around the same number of notes to appear in the same space of 1 second, but even at the same picking speed most of these people still sound different to each other! Some people can pick so cleanly, articulately, and almost gracefully at quite a fast speed, and they sound like they `own` every single note, and are are in full control of evey individual note. Whereas some people, though picking the same amount of notes in a second, can sound the total opposite, messy, undefined, not at all in control of each note, sounding like they just tried to play a bunch of notes `hoping` they would all fall into place. The more important thing to me (on this subject) is the delivery of each and every note, the amount of attention every note recieves, rather than how many notes are being played!  Anyway, enough of that, here`s the list of audio files (in a zipped file, about 11.6 meg, with about 310 sound clips, which is 155 `1 second alt picking clips`, with a slowed down version of each clip) : on Rapidshare : rapidshare.de/files/13383407/Willjay_s__NPS_Clocking_Project_.rar.htmlEdit: I`ve now updated this link with an extra Steve Vai fast picking clip! Willie Jordan. |
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Post by odracir on Feb 2, 2006 14:42:10 GMT -6
I thought you said MAB could play 16.5 nps not 16 nps. I don't know in what thread you said that but i still remember it well. Or may be you rechecked the files out and you finally noticed it is 16 nps.
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Post by odracir on Feb 2, 2006 14:51:48 GMT -6
Humm i'm there!!!!!!! If shredmickael and me feature in the list, why don't you put on it Bloodline and Lacrimosa (Mendel and Ismar)?
Why Shawn Lane sounds faster than others playing at the same speed. One thing, at clip 6 by Lane i counted 19 nps and for ensurance i counted this 7 times and i always count 19....May be i'm wrong after all. And another thing coming: his tremolo clip you posted i think it's slowed down when it says "fast" , i think you posted two slowed down versions of the same section and you forgot to put the fast version...
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Post by Bloodline on Feb 2, 2006 15:02:51 GMT -6
with allot of tension i can reach the 20,1 nps.
Ismar when drunk + stoned can reach the 20 nps easily.
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Post by Bedhanger on Feb 2, 2006 15:19:52 GMT -6
COngrats Willjay!!! Thanks for the info!!
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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 15:50:55 GMT -6
Well, after all the months i`ve spent searching through maybe a thousand or so sound clips etc. chopping up, slowing down and checking sound clips, it`s nice to get a warm, happy reception! ;D I thought you said MAB could play 16.5 nps not 16 nps. I don't know in what thread you said that but i still remember it well. Or may be you rechecked the files out and you finally noticed it is 16 nps. He did, he was playing groups of 6 at 165 bpm, which is 16.5 nps, in an ascending run he did at 2 mins 31 secs into the track `I Do for You` from the `No Boundaries` cd (track 5)! However, after studying it very carefully, listening to it about a zillion more times, i realised that (i think) he is actually economy picking it, and not alternate picking it as i thought he was (economy picking it requires about a third less `up/down` motions of the wrist than atlernate picking!). So i didn`t include that clip in the end. He is playing a pattern in repeating groups of 6, and at first it sounded to me like he was playing the usual '3 notes per string' lick, but after studying it a lot closer i realised that he must be economy picking it, because for each 6 note repeating pattern he is actually playing 4 of the notes on the lower string and 2 of the notes on the higher string. So he starts by playing the usual 3 ascending notes on the lower string (lets just say frets 1, 2, and 4), but starting with a downstroke so that you can economy pick the crossover to the higher string, then picking 2 ascending notes on the higher string (fret 1 and 2), economy picking back to the lower string (with an upstroke) to pick the highest of those 3 fretted notes on the lower string (fret 4), then play the first 3 notes again on that string (fret 1, 2 and 4) or actually, you could move it up to the next postion for those 3 notes, and keep moving it up the fretboard each time you repeat the 6 note lick. |
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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 15:54:57 GMT -6
Humm i'm there!!!!!!! If shredmickael and me feature in the list, why don't you put on it Bloodline and Lacrimosa (Mendel and Ismar)? Why not everyone on earth who plays guitar then?  Why Shawn Lane sounds faster than others playing at the same speed. One thing, at clip 6 by Lane i counted 19 nps and for ensurance i counted this 7 times and i always count 19....May be i'm wrong after all. And another thing coming: his tremolo clip you posted i think it's slowed down when it says "fast" , i think you posted two slowed down versions of the same section and you forgot to put the fast version... You`ve listened to these things 7 or so times, i`ve listened to them, and many, many more clips, hundreds of times. But even then i still do sometimes change my mind on a `note count`, sometimes when i go back to counting something after a rest. Then again, i have become very flamiliar with nearly all of the clips, most of the time i know which notes are coming next when i count them, so that makes it easier to count them. As for the Shawn Lane tremelo picking clip(s), i just checked them again, 1 fast and 1 slow. Willie J. |
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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 16:00:39 GMT -6
COngrats Willjay!!! Thanks for the info!! Hey thanks dude, that means a lot! |
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Post by odracir on Feb 2, 2006 16:13:18 GMT -6
Yeah willie, hard but really great work. You got a MAB congrat too (you must be proud).
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Post by Marc on Feb 2, 2006 16:27:35 GMT -6
hey, willjay i would like to see this video but i can't. its too big. can you just said all the guitarist name and how many nps they do?? i would love u |
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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 16:28:37 GMT -6
Yeah willie, hard but really great work. Thanks! You got a MAB congrat too (you must be proud). Sure i am!! ;D |
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Post by Willjay on Feb 2, 2006 16:31:05 GMT -6
hey, willjay i would like to see this video but i can't. its too big. can you just said all the guitarist name and how many nps they do?? i would love u It`s not actually a video. It`s just a load of different `1 second audio clips` from many different guitarists. I packed them all into a zipped file, you may need to download a free program such as `Winrar` to unpack it into seperate sound files. |
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Post by Angel Martin on Feb 2, 2006 19:07:38 GMT -6
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Post by Marc on Feb 2, 2006 20:20:07 GMT -6
youpii!!!!!!!!! i dwl your file. but hey i'm sure that steve vai can pick faster than 13 nps... cause I can.
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Post by Willjay on Feb 3, 2006 2:29:36 GMT -6
You`ll need to download this small program to `unpack / unzip` the files. www.rarlab.com/rar/wrar351.exeyoupii!!!!!!!!! i dwl your file. but hey i'm sure that steve vai can pick faster than 13 nps... cause I can. I`ve never heard or clocked Vai picking any quicker than that, but Vai only picks as fast as he can accurately. There are some people who can pick a simple repetative 6 note per string run quicker than that, but who still probably couldn`t play `Eugenes Trick Bag` as clean as Vai did. |
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Post by Succubus on Feb 3, 2006 6:01:36 GMT -6
Very impressive work Willjay and very interesting results!! Congrats on getting it finished |
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Post by skin on Feb 3, 2006 6:29:08 GMT -6
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Post by Willjay on Feb 3, 2006 7:06:13 GMT -6
Hey thanks!!! You guys and gal are waaay too kind!!! ;D
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Post by odracir on Feb 3, 2006 13:39:56 GMT -6
I think could be a great idea to create a "NPS clocking" website by your own, then linking it at MAB site (if Deb and MAB are agreed, as i think so considering MAB congrats you received, i think he is very interested in your opinion of really acurate fast picking). I think you have gained much authority in this aspect, particularly paying atemption in the hard whole work you did. I think many professional and amateur guitar players can take profit by your work, to make cleaner how accurate is someone playing fast. Well, you can think that work can be done by anyone with the correct software, but hey, you were the first in making a list.
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Post by sweepstakes17 on Feb 3, 2006 15:40:42 GMT -6
Congratulations WillJay ill shout u a beer lol. DUde ur work is very admirable and it takes alot of dedication to do wat u did and spend that much time and im sure it wasnt all happy times, so well done and thanx a million.  |
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Post by Valgeir on Feb 3, 2006 21:32:54 GMT -6
I think it's really interesting to realize that ninety percent of the claims online about speed are utter bull. It really puts things in perspective, and definitely helps one keep a positive outlook. I mean, I max out at 12 NPS clean after a little over a year and a half of playing, and I wasn't sure how I felt about that, but now I realize I'm about 3/4 of the way to playing as fast as some of the FASTEST guys. It's pretty inspiring.
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Post by skin on Feb 4, 2006 2:16:05 GMT -6
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Post by Angel Martin on Feb 4, 2006 2:47:55 GMT -6
I think it's really interesting to realize that ninety percent of the claims online about speed are utter bull. It really puts things in perspective, and definitely helps one keep a positive outlook. I mean, I max out at 12 NPS clean after a little over a year and a half of playing, and I wasn't sure how I felt about that, but now I realize I'm about 3/4 of the way to playing as fast as some of the FASTEST guys. It's pretty inspiring. Totally agreed. I've been playing less then a year now and I can do 12 and I'm very proud of that. My biggest strength is being able to improv at medium speed cleanly when I pay good attention, sometimes I don't and hit a wrong note, but I feel that control and its good. I was more surprised to see that Yngwie and Mike max out at the same speed, a killer 16. Which is pretty interesting when you really think about it, since Yngwie himself said mike was faster. |
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Post by lacrimosa on Feb 4, 2006 2:55:55 GMT -6
This is pretty cool!!
I still think the fast 19 nps Shawn Lane (diminished lick) is the sickest of all! (And the odracir's one, probably the fastest trem. I've ever heard!!).
Willjay: what song is the fast 19nps Shawn Lane clip from (the diminished one!)?
Awesome stuff!!
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Post by Bloodline on Feb 4, 2006 7:11:14 GMT -6
This is pretty cool!! I still think the fast 19 nps Shawn Lane (diminished lick) is the sickest of all! (And the odracir's one, probably the fastest trem. I've ever heard!!). Willjay: what song is the fast 19nps Shawn Lane clip from (the diminished one!)? Awesome stuff!! you forgot to say you can ply that stuff ! that diminished lick |
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