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Post by sikanex on Oct 4, 2009 11:18:35 GMT -6
I don't think its even close... even then, what is the point? Those are not the most useful lines... no one hears a tremolo and goes, "damn, I wish that tremolo was 19 notes per second instead of *insert each players fastest trem*.
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Post by Willjay on Oct 4, 2009 12:55:49 GMT -6
no one hears a tremolo and go, "damn, I wish that tremolo was 19 notes per second instead of *insert each players fastest trem*. ROFL! I have to get to bed early tonight so i'll check it in the morning..... but i have no time or interest in people simply ' tensing their whole arm up so it vibrates, then trying to sync it up with their left hand, in a totally detatched manner'.... and then classing that as "picking fast"...... Sorry, but that's the equivalent to someone rolling their tongue (to make that Machine Gun sound).... and then thinking that they're suddenly as impressive and skilled as an Indian Konokol master.
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Post by scyll on Oct 5, 2009 15:07:25 GMT -6
Indeed, nps stands for number of prain sells. He doesn't use a pick here. It's his wee-man.
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Post by vonmuerte on Jan 17, 2010 23:04:22 GMT -6
Hey buddies, it has been a very long time, but i found this and i'm a little curious about the speeds Paco is handling in this outrageusly furious version of Entre dos aguas
Hope Steve, Willie and everybody are fine! Happy New 2010!!!! Hehehe i missed the 2008 and 2009 eves.
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Post by Jason on Jan 20, 2010 14:34:58 GMT -6
Hey Willjay, I believe I can play 16 notes a second I would like to know how to video it in order for you to clock it! Like should I do tremelo picking or just play?
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Post by Syv on Jan 20, 2010 17:28:16 GMT -6
I would just suggest playing alternate picking runs. The tremolo is just your potential picking speed, which I guess technically still counts as picking, but it's just banging on one note. IMHO your true top picking speed is only as fast as your slowest hand.
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Post by Maxxxwell on Jan 20, 2010 18:22:24 GMT -6
I'm jealous of his alt. picking, and his AMPS!!
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Post by TheLivingDead on Jan 20, 2010 19:35:48 GMT -6
I'm jealous of his alt. picking, and his AMPS!! Damn... I'm jealous too. Damn shame what he did to that RG though.
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Post by S-H on Jan 21, 2010 8:24:34 GMT -6
Hey Willjay, I believe I can play 16 notes a second I would like to know how to video it in order for you to clock it! Like should I do tremelo picking or just play? I think you should play a song you can play well which happens to have a bunch of alternate picking lines it which you feel at close to your max speed- maybe a Vinnie track? He has a bunch of tracks from "Time Oddysey" which have licks ca 15nps. If you can play those cleanly then you're my GOD! Lol Hey buddies, it has been a very long time, but i found this and i'm a little curious about the speeds Paco is handling in this outrageusly furious version of Entre dos aguas Hope Steve, Willie and everybody are fine! Happy New 2010!!!! Hehehe i missed the 2008 and 2009 eves. Vonnie baby. Long time no see. Hope you're well and making some potatas. Lol Great vid. I love aggressive Paco, dude owns when he's playing like that. I'm sure there's a limit to how fast someone (anyone- even Paco) can pick using his fingers, but maybe it's faster than the others Willie has clocked. I'm jealous of his alt. picking, and his AMPS!! Definitely not jealous of his amps, ENGL's as good as they are at delivering that compresed metal rhythm tone deliver poor lead and clean tones plus they are built like crap by all reports. Damn... I'm jealous too. Damn shame what he did to that RG though. I actually like the RG! ;D
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Post by Syv on May 4, 2010 13:44:54 GMT -6
This might have already been brought up in this thread, but I don't want to skim through all 36 pages to find out.
So that being said, wouldn't Paco de Lucia not be eligible for this alt. picking category since he's finger picking style??
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Post by Yngtchie Blacksteen on May 4, 2010 14:22:37 GMT -6
In theory, yes, but Willie was asked what De Lucía's picking speed was, and he was then included on the list. There are sloppy players and super-clean players on the list, they're all featured on the same list. Willie usually comments if there's something special about someone's picking.
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Post by shadydave on May 4, 2010 15:10:31 GMT -6
While the list is bumped a bit - did WJ ever get firm figures for Dave T Chastain and Shane Gibson?
I used to be quite a fan of Dave and Shane is one of my favourites at the moment.
(I DID read all the pages but couldn't see anything....)
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Post by Syv on May 6, 2010 1:01:36 GMT -6
In theory, yes, but Willie was asked what De Lucía's picking speed was, and he was then included on the list. There are sloppy players and super-clean players on the list, they're all featured on the same list. Willie usually comments if there's something special about someone's picking. Ah, thanks for telling me.
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Post by zenshredder on May 28, 2010 10:05:44 GMT -6
I dont know if these artists have been brought up, but does anyone know their alternate picking speeds?: -Brendon Small(Dethklok) -Ihsahn(Emperor, solo) -Kiko Loureiro -Andy James -Tosin Abasi -Gus G. Also I'd like to know how to find out my own alternate picking speed, can anyone tell me? Thanks in advance
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Post by M7GT on Aug 5, 2010 20:42:03 GMT -6
Eddie Van Halen
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Post by venreskiller4 on Sept 22, 2010 21:27:13 GMT -6
Willjay, that is quite a list of some very impressive players. There are some who I don't recognize. I've seen a similar list of stats from "Guitar for the practicing musician." I like the short description of their playing styles (i.e., tremolo versus truly accurate picking). I find that the tremolo fakers tend to have a ratty tone whereas the truly accurate pickers like MAB get a nice rounded tone that is pleasing to the ears.
On a specific note, I saw Zakk Wylde at "Pain in the grass" a few weeks ago. Dude really fried my ears. His tone was so harsh and his playing was self-indulgent and tasteless. I was very disappointed. He must of had too much Black Label. He sounds great on the Ozzy recordings. I guess just like some other great guitarists, he needs someone to hold his reigns so he doesn't go too far out.
Anyway, thanks for the info. This is my first post on this forum!
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Post by venreskiller4 on Sept 22, 2010 22:04:39 GMT -6
This might have already been brought up in this thread, but I don't want to skim through all 36 pages to find out.
So that being said, wouldn't Paco de Lucia not be eligible for this alt. picking category since he's finger picking style??[/quote]
I don't blame you sikanex. I wouldn't want to do all that searching either. It does seem like an apples to oranges comparison. However, depending on what right hand pattern Paco is using, it could be comparable to alternating picking. For example, if he is using two fingers like the index and middle in a strict alternating style, it could be similar to the 2 sides of a flat pick. You would have to rely on the alternating pattern as opposed to raking across the strings in a sweeping pattern.
As an interesting note: My old classical guitar teacher used to say that flamenco players tended to have faster scales than classical players because of their strumming technique (rasgueado). The muscles in their right hand are more developed to bring their fingers back to picking position faster because of the outward motion of the strumming.
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Post by Yngtchie Blacksteen on Sept 24, 2010 16:57:55 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, man! Willjay's not around that much these days, but he pops by every once in a while.
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Post by venreskiller4 on Sept 24, 2010 20:26:30 GMT -6
Thanks Yngtchie! I'm not much of a forum guy, but when I saw the video of the MAB internet forum players, I just had to join.
Just so I don't stray too far off topic, MAB's instructional videos should also add "clarity and fluidity kills."
So how are things in Norway? I take that you are a fan of Yngwie. Now there's another great shredder. I would guess that he could be even faster if he played something other than a Strat. Don't get me wrong; there are many great players that get a great tone off a Strat, but I find them a little awkward to play. Even Ritchie Blackmoore concurrs with that. However, Ritchie has stated that he liked the fact he had to work harder on a Strat as opposed to a Gibson.
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Post by skin on Aug 13, 2011 11:48:08 GMT -6
hey guys and gals! I've been working my asx off~ got to work for me bread~ not logged on since Jan 23, 2010.. How's all your woodwork going? ha!... I've been keeping faith to guitar and music.. I've been listening to a different player every now and then, and just gotten a question about an hour ago... I love alternate picking. And somehow, thought why players like Frank Gamble, Scott Henderson, Blues Saraceno, Marty Friedman, Brett Garsed, Marshall Harrison, Michael Lee Firkins, Dimebag Darrell and maybe Michael Fath are not in Willjay's All-Time Alternate-Picking Chart?... Is it because what I've heard from their playing that they are mostly just using Economy-Picking, Hybrid-Picking, legato-runs, sweep-runs? Or is it that there is just not enough quality, legitimate or substantial evidence of them doing the alternate-picking technique? hee hee just a food for thought in me.. hope Willjay sees this~ meanwhile... keep playing on!!
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Post by SendHelp on Aug 13, 2011 17:24:44 GMT -6
This reminds me... when is Troy Grady's "Cracking the Code" going to come out? Is it still being worked on? Seems like it's been a while
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Post by Blue on Aug 14, 2011 3:54:37 GMT -6
I love alternate picking. And somehow, thought why players like Frank Gamble, Scott Henderson, Blues Saraceno, Marty Friedman, Brett Garsed, Marshall Harrison, Michael Lee Firkins, Dimebag Darrell and maybe Michael Fath are not in Willjay's All-Time Alternate-Picking Chart?... Is it because what I've heard from their playing that they are mostly just using Economy-Picking, Hybrid-Picking, legato-runs, sweep-runs? Or is it that there is just not enough quality, legitimate or substantial evidence of them doing the alternate-picking technique? Yes thats it. They simply doesn't do it. I can't speak for Blues Saraceno and Michael Lee Firkins but the other player you mentioned doesn't do it. Not at a level worth mentioning in this list. There's some players that are mentioned that aren't that fast but they are only mentioned because they are famous or have a reputation of playing fast. So it's necessary that they are in the list because of that reason. BTW many of Gambale's fast sweeping licks have been clocked by Willjay.
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Post by kekkuliheikki on Jul 26, 2012 13:09:06 GMT -6
What about me!
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Post by Pain on Aug 3, 2012 0:05:46 GMT -6
Sorry to bother you, but please, and I mean please, check for the following three guitarists - Alexi Laiho, Jari Maenpaa and Dave Mustaine.
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Post by Blue on Aug 8, 2012 2:11:02 GMT -6
I don't think Willjay will clock anymore guitarist? It was a long time ago he was active here. I still have all the files he has put up ;D
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