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Post by Klaus on Nov 24, 2006 9:04:38 GMT -6
i dont think he could be as accurate as todd, he uses his arm to much on those chromatics. How could anyone be? LOL ;D If they had MAB's talent anything is possible.  |
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Post by Blue on Nov 24, 2006 9:06:24 GMT -6
Yeah but MAB is MAB he's not a random player ;D
No one have his talents.
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 9:07:18 GMT -6
Ahahaha ;D .... Anyone have any vids or clips of him picking his fastest, or know what `moment` i can check, and i'll clock it.  I'm sure i got a guitar mag years ago with one of them (i think it was Mick) playing Malmsteen style excercises... i remember it being quite quick (but certainly not 17 nps), though i remember thinking it sounded quite "tremelo-ey", rather than note for note like Malmsteen does. He played one of Yngwie's descending runs (the one from "Trilogy Suite...). I just found this video of Mick Thompson playing a chromatic picking exercise (about as easy as they come) : .... it didn't sound very accurate to me, and certainly nowhere near as accurate as Todd Duane, or as MAB plays it on his Star Licks video on a clean sound  . In this video Mick plays it in groups of 4 at around 200 bpm... which is only a little over 13 nps (4x200 divided by 60 = 13.3 nps). WJ. I haven't seen any vids that do Mick's playing justice. Half the time he goes in "cold". Even the Young Guitar dvd's i've got aren't him playing how he can. Try to find the mp3 of "Welcome", he takes the first solo which alternates between 4 & 5 notes per beat with a few 6's too. It's @ 200bpm. That's what the TAB says anyways & they can (and almost are) wrong but until provd otherwise, it's between 16 & 17nps. Maybe it aint Duane cleanliness, but i was counteracting Mr Ibanez's crap! Lol. ;D  Jim plays a 7's ascending alt picked lick in "Opium of the People" @ 136bpm. It's only 3 beats though so it's probably not enough to call him a 15nps alt picker, but i've seen him live literally shredding & i've been saying for 5 years they should solo in every song. Mick elbow picks when playing uber-fast so it may be Cooley-esque, still there's no dodgy string noises & it sounds cleaner than most fast alt pickers in my cd collection although it aint of the elite cleanliness. Of the licks i've got in my routine, his Welcome solo (As it's written) is harder than most licks barring a sick Scott Stine lick & the Lane lick (5,3,6,9) from Power Solos (?) vid. But he SOUNDS clean & is fast. Plus, he's a Batio fan so show some respect people! Lol. |
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 9:10:17 GMT -6
i dont think he could be as accurate as todd, he uses his arm to much on those chromatics. Na he aint but it's a bit of counteraction going on, also- using your arm doesn't necessarily mean inaccurate cos Vinnie Moore uses his arm on anything 12nps upwards and he is VERY accurate. Mick isn't as bad as Cooley although being a death metal guitarist primarily, he uses his arm too much for my liking. |
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Post by MrIbanez on Nov 24, 2006 9:43:07 GMT -6
Rivera just admit it man, Slipknot are a band for 12 year old MTV fans and Jim and Mick are in it for the money and *** huge ass.
they also wank off their masks with long noses.
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 9:52:43 GMT -6
Have you spoke to them?
I guarantee you they aren't in it for the money & actually Mick & Jim have only been given a license to play cos Rick Rubin is the producer.
You should listen to Vol 3, you'll be surprised.
Only Chris does that, and i've never said the masks were anything but gay, BUT i also think Buckethead's mask & get up is gay but he's a great player & musician so i look past that like i do with Mick & Jim.
They don't even get played on MTV so.....
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Post by rr5rhoads on Nov 24, 2006 16:13:53 GMT -6
That video reminded me of Dragonforce...lol but it was sloppy chromatics. Hey..maybe the made the guitars sound better on the albums by..like...fixing them up...or hiring others to play them... ;D I heard rumors that uh....Corey Bealiu played all their solos on that CD....and uh.....I wrote all their songs... |
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 16:37:33 GMT -6
I'm sure people realise they were about a day off the plane from the US to Japan & Mick says on the DVD he should've warmed up, so 13nps which he does when not warmed up aint too shabby.
But that was crappy, still he does a song called "Too Extreme For Slipknot" which is chromatics @ 235bpm.
But he has exercises in a TG mag from 2002 (on the Iowa tour), which is 6's @ about 125bpm when he went in "cold" so that aint bad, plus Vol 3 was 2 years later & he was good on that album.
I aint comparing him to Mike, just that for "a bunch of downtuned riffers who can't play", he aint bad.
From the tab in the book (which is what i'm going by so it's probably wrong! ha ha), if you split his picking parts into seconds (3 & a third beats of 200bpm), it SHOULD be:
BARS 1 & 2:
1- 15.666nps
2- 16.999nps
3- Only 2 beats before sweeping so OMIT.
BARS 5 & 6-
1- 16.666nps
2- 13.999nps
3- OMIT (as above)
But Willie (Smith) either has or is or will be clocking it & then give a speed(s).
If you average the 4 seconds out, it's 15.8325nps which is 6's @ 158.325bpm. Ha ha.
You'll need a very precise metroome!
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 16:39:31 GMT -6
That video reminded me of Dragonforce...lol but it was sloppy chromatics. Hey..maybe the made the guitars sound better on the albums by..like...fixing them up...or hiring others to play them... ;D I heard rumors that uh....Corey Bealiu played all their solos on that CD....and uh.....I wrote all their songs... It wasn't that bad, Herman didn't hit ANY of the notes, Mick wasn't warmed up. I don't know why you have a hard on over Beaulieu, he is average at best, he's been playing for 10 years or so which is the same amount Jason Becker had before writing a fair amount of "Perpetual Burn". |
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Post by rr5rhoads on Nov 24, 2006 17:21:22 GMT -6
That video reminded me of Dragonforce...lol but it was sloppy chromatics. Hey..maybe the made the guitars sound better on the albums by..like...fixing them up...or hiring others to play them... ;D I heard rumors that uh....Corey Bealiu played all their solos on that CD....and uh.....I wrote all their songs... It wasn't that bad, Herman didn't hit ANY of the notes, Mick wasn't warmed up. I don't know why you have a hard on over Beaulieu, he is average at best, he's been playing for 10 years or so which is the same amount Jason Becker had before writing a fair amount of "Perpetual Burn". What, jealous? Atleast I can get a hard on. ;D Herman hit some notes, lol. Oh, so if Dragonforce had just gotten off the plane and did that, they can get bashed, but it's Slipknot, oh no, not them, they have a good excuse. Pfft. I'm sure Corey can play Jason's stuff, he's a big influence too, as is MAB. |
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 17:54:49 GMT -6
Are you kidding? Slipknot get bashed before people even hear their music!
I bet Buckethead did too. But Mick needs to hurry up & do a solo album. All his non-death metal heroes are great players so i'm surprised he hasn't done anything.
Corey can PLAY Jason's stuff probably, but can he WRITE it? I very much doubt it.
Oh btw- The blue pills work a treat!
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Post by rr5rhoads on Nov 24, 2006 17:58:24 GMT -6
Well that's not Corey's field, writing that type of music. Slipknot get bashed cause ppl are dumb. Same goes if Buckethead got bashed. Ppl are dumb. I doubt Mick'll release/record a solo album. Maybe if this Stone Sour bit goes on a bit longer, he could get started. Pfft..pills? Real men don't need pills, when you see that hot lady...it does it by itself.. ;D Be a man! |
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 18:03:55 GMT -6
Mick has said since 2001 he WILL rather than possibly do a solo album but he is such a fat lazy sod.
Well yeah, but Buckethead had to release "Bucketheadland" before people took him seriously which is what Mick will have to do.
Lady?!
Oh, i mean, yeah ladies! Loads of em............. *damn! Takes down Jeter poster!*
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Post by rr5rhoads on Nov 24, 2006 18:05:08 GMT -6
LOL!
Yeah...I should probably replace the guitar guys on my walls with chicks...I got a nice a rear-end shot of Stacy Kiebler...and some Texas Cheerleader posters..hmmm..yum....
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 18:10:31 GMT -6
Stacy Kiebler aint got an ass, if she has- it's hiding!!!!
Plus, women like that carry some extras which'll make you itch.
I'll be very surprised if every wrestler hasn't had her tbh.
Yeah, Terrell Owens poster...........
I meant cheerleaders!
Or Michael Strahan.....
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Post by rr5rhoads on Nov 24, 2006 18:12:04 GMT -6
Lol.
Nah, I doubt it.
You're blind of you don't see those nice legs leading up to that nice ass.
Porn stars prolly have lots. IMO, they just hide'em. ;D
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Post by S-H on Nov 24, 2006 18:15:17 GMT -6
1 man or woman had HIV or AIDS or something. That is some serious stuff, that's why you should NEVER go with someone who's een round the block more times than a NASCAR racer!
Kibler may LOOK as though she has an ass, BUT she wears high heels most of the time when she comes round mine, and that pushes the leg muscles up towards the buttocks & makes the ass look firmer.
I bet she would have a flat ass when not wearing high heels, i'll do a test later....
Oh, the door's open Stacey come on in!
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Post by MrIbanez on Nov 25, 2006 2:32:28 GMT -6
If his chromatic was 13nps then i can play 13nps, and cleaner than he did in the video.
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Post by S-H on Nov 25, 2006 12:05:52 GMT -6
That's the speed he warms up at.
Do you thik Mike could do 6nps alt picking clean straight off the bat & "cold"?
I tell ya he couldn't and i can't do my top speed after an hour warm up & 2 hours of playing.
Mick had a couple of licks in TG 2002, where he was playing 6's @ 125bpm-ish (well i play along with the audio so it's between 12 & 13nps anyways), which wasn't THAT sloppy, but wasn't him @ peak. But he wasn't warmed up & listening back he said "It ***ed!". It wasn't that bad, but it wasn't Mick Thomson @ 100% pu t it that way.
BTW- Not trying to hi-jack or subject change, but i noticed on your signature, you've got the 1959 SLP MkII Head; the JCM Series TSL100 is much better IMO & if you stick a TS-9 in front, you'll have a great sound.
Also, the YJM guitar is weak for rhythm btw. The only half decent strat rhythm guitar tone wise i've heard is Stump's custom ESP. Lead-wise the Fender strat is great with Blackmore/Yngwie/Johnson/Stump/Bellas/Impellitteri tones but rhythm wise you'll probably want to change it or even have 2 guitars.
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Post by Blondie on Nov 25, 2006 13:09:27 GMT -6
If possible it could be fun if You could clock Vinnie Vincent...
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Post by MrIbanez on Nov 25, 2006 16:19:56 GMT -6
Well depending of the needs of the bands ile form or join in the future, ile probably have to have two diffrent setups.
1. All Metal - Jackson King V Lightning Sky + JCM2000. Ime almost sure on this, final test would be at GAK.
2.Neo Classical Shred - Strat + MKII, this will be mainly for my own plesure, doing video covers in my house,100% sure ile have this setup one day on the side. I doubt there is anyone around here who would want to form a Rising Force style band. sad but true.
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The Dream Would be to Blend Neo Classical Tone, into Heavy Metal, and make somthing origonal out of it.
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*Ile choose which setup to get first when i have the money and can see if ime anywhere near serious band status.
*Cab is always gonna be 1960A.
*There are some strats with good Metal rythm, look at Iron Maiden. Or most HSS setup strats.
This Thread is Offically Hijacked by Captain Jack.
"Pirates of The Carribean Theme Tune Plays"
Rofl.
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Post by S-H on Nov 25, 2006 16:28:51 GMT -6
Well Iron Maiden are a classic metal band. No-one plays that stuff now. If you get an Yngwie strat, you'll be called a clone even if you don't sound like Yngwie. Also, i'd suggest getting a KxK instead of a Jackson- www.kxkguitars.com/. Change the Invader for an EMG '81 & you're laughing! Also, for neoclassical shred, i'd go with the ENGL Ritchie Blackmore signature Head. It's obviously up to you, but for me i'd do: 1- KxK Warrior V, Peavey 6505, Ibanez TS-9, Boss NS-2, Marshall 1960A. 2- Washburn N6, Marshall TSL100, Ibanez TS-9, Boss NS-2, Marshall 1960A. Just my 2 pence. |
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Post by MrIbanez on Nov 25, 2006 16:47:10 GMT -6
Heh, yea i know about the Yngwie Clone thing and i agree with it to a certain level.
And About the KxK thing, ime sure they are good guitars, but if i got that Warrior i would be a Karl Sanders clone, and i can never be sure about the quality of those guitars as they arn't in UK shops ide never be able to try them
With Jackson, you know when you buy an USA model you are getting a quality Guitar that will last and perform for a very long time, not some cheap clonejob.
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Post by S-H on Nov 25, 2006 16:54:31 GMT -6
Well Karl uses his KxK which is the same materials & quality over his top of the range Dean V so i doubt you'll be disappointed. But yeah it's a big risk buying a guitar which you have absolutely no way of telling if it's good or not. Maybe going to a NAMM show would be a good idea & then "borrow" a couple guitars for me!
I personally think that EVERYONE in neoclassical who uses a strat is a Blackmore clone, including my 2 faves but i can understand why they want that lead tone cos it works so well in neoclassical, but players who are definate Yngwie clones like Norman Anderson are (thankfully) moving away from the Strat.
Impellitteri also uses a completely different strat cos he can't stand Yngwie. lol.
Back on the topic, i wonder how fast Sanders picks??
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Post by MrIbanez on Nov 25, 2006 17:34:44 GMT -6
Lawl i cant believe we hijacked a sticky thread. anyway anyone who plays neo classical and hates Yngwie is just jelous or insane.
ide like to seem some speed clockidge for Dragonforce Sam and Herman ^^
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