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Post by psychoshredder on Apr 13, 2005 11:24:35 GMT -6
I have a problem. I'm practicing every day, and my alternatepickingspeed is sextuplets (six per beat) at 120 bpm. But now i don't can be faster, whatever I try. My brain can't give my hand the Order to be faster. What can I make to be faster? When I see that Jason Becker can do it at 256bpm I see that a human can be faster, also I want to be faster.
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Post by Bloodline on Apr 13, 2005 15:53:26 GMT -6
try to thight our musces of your whole arm. with that i can doe 1149 notes in a minute. so 19 per secods. good luck
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Post by HlynurStef on Apr 14, 2005 8:37:05 GMT -6
are you sure he played 6 notes per beat, 256 beats per minute? Is that possible? If so, I'm blown away!
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Post by jkerr on Apr 14, 2005 9:17:40 GMT -6
Do not tense any muscles, that will only give injuries faster. It may not apply to guitar picking but with double bass on drums it does, so it will probably be the same. Though tensing all of your arm muscles would make you faster, but tire you very quickly
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Post by WyldeStallion on Apr 14, 2005 13:21:44 GMT -6
Yeh i would not recommend tensing ur arm when u play, can lead to very nasty problems. One thing i always make sure off when i am alternate picking is that my thumb on fretting hand is very light and is not gripping the kneck to much, cause when i do that i just cant move my fingers as fast. hope that helps man,dont worry u will get there, just takes time thats all
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Post by psychoshredder on Apr 15, 2005 5:00:52 GMT -6
are you sure he played 6 notes per beat, 256 beats per minute? Is that possible? If so, I'm blown away! Hear mabels fatal fable. Have someone a practicingtip for me?
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Post by jkerr on Apr 15, 2005 9:28:17 GMT -6
Just do a tremolo slowly and keep increasing and decreasing speed WITHOUT tensing up atall.
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Post by Neoclasiccl on Apr 16, 2005 12:54:03 GMT -6
Metronome is the only way to go. I would practice a lick at a comfortable speed. Then when your comfortable increase the BPM up in increments of 5-8 BPM. Thats's how I was able to play 16th's cleanly at 216 BPM in most licks.
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Post by Willjay on Apr 17, 2005 3:23:28 GMT -6
When I see that Jason Becker can do it at 256bpm That must have been some kind of mistake or miscalculation, the quickest i`ve ever clocked Jason Becker`s alt picking in at is between 15-16 notes per second, that is between 150 - 160 bpm, that is six notes to the beat of course! Years ago i was messing around trying to work out speeds against a metronome using a calculator, when i stumbled across the fact that : because there are 60 seconds in a minute, then AS LONG as you are picking in groups of SIX to each beat of the metronome, then all you have to do to work out how many notes per second you are picking is think of it as (remember, THIS ONLY WORKS when playing SIX notes to every beat!) 160 bpm is 16 notes per second, 140 bpm would be 14 notes per second, 127 bpm would be 12.7 notes per second, 145 bpm would be 14.5 notes per second, 200 bpm would be 20 notes per second...... and so on! It may be worth pointing out that i`ve never heard anyone `strictly alternate pick, accuratly` above 18 notes a second, not on any recording or video that i`ve seen or heard anyway! I like to spread my idea of that speed calculation around because i`ve heard some ridilous claims about how fast some people think they can play, so that way people can work it out scientifically! Even when using that method that i keep passing around, there is still the problem that some people pick very messy to get more speed, even if they don`t hear it in their own head as being messy, some people sacrafice accuracy for speed......... or coarse then you get people like Mike who has speed AND accuracy! Come on guys, lets see what some of you can clock in at using that method! I`ll go first. Bearing in mind that i`m obsessed about accuracy and note division (even more so than speed, these days!), the quickest (up to now) than i can accurately alternate pick is about 13.5 notes a second, that is about 135 bpm picking six notes per beat! To give you some idea of that, the repeating alt picked lick that MAB does at the end of `Take a Look Around` (the extended bit, after the music finishes!) from `Lucid Intervals` is alt picked in groups of six at about 136 bpm, which is 13.6 notes per second, i know that`s no where near his quickest, but that is the quickest i can alt pick from my wrist (the way i like to do it) with accuracy, i just can`t get it any quicker than that at the moment! Take care everyone! Willie Jordan
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Post by Michael Angelo Batio on Apr 17, 2005 11:00:02 GMT -6
Willie, after reading your "exact amount of notes per second" threads here and on the Petrucci forum, I have been very tempted to put a solo passage on my new CD that can clearly be defined and analyzed pertaining to "how many notes per second" with unquestionable clarity and precision. Honestly though, I have never, ever, thought of "how many notes per second am I playing" until this last year when so much has been made of it. My goal as a musician and artist always was to play what I heard in my head and play it to best of my ability. I always worked on clear, precise execution of notes and with as much feeling as I could put into each note no matter how fast or slow it was/is. Again, thanks for your analysis. On a musical note, I left that solo part of "Take a look Around" on the CD because when the song ended I was "in the zone" and just didn't feel like stopping. The song was originally supposed to fade out.
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Post by Neoclasiccl on Apr 17, 2005 12:35:06 GMT -6
Willie, after reading your "exact amount of notes per second" threads here and on the Petrucci forum, I have been very tempted to put a solo passage on my new CD that can clearly be defined and analyzed pertaining to "how many notes per second" with unquestionable clarity and precision. Honestly though, I have never, ever, thought of "how many notes per second am I playing" until this last year when so much has been made of it. My goal as a musician and artist always was to play what I heard in my head and play it to best of my ability. I always worked on clear, precise execution of notes and with as much feeling as I could put into each note no matter how fast or slow it was/is. Again, thanks for your analysis. On a musical note, I left that solo part of "Take a look Around" on the CD because when the song ended I was "in the zone" and just didn't feel like stopping. The song was originally supposed to fade out. Mike I have listened to your playing at slow speed with my music software. It lets me slow everything down but keep it in the same key. I listened to almost all your stuff since it's easier to figure out. But the shocker was when I decided to listen to your O.F.R. solo. I have heard it was clean slow but I had to listen to the string skipping stuff and judge for myself. Well I honestly can admit I got pretty intimidated when I heard how clean it was at 1/4 the speed. I started practicing alot more after I heard that You are truely an amazing player.
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Post by Willjay on Apr 18, 2005 1:25:36 GMT -6
On a musical note, I left that solo part of "Take a look Around" on the CD because when the song ended I was "in the zone" and just didn't feel like stopping. The song was originally supposed to fade out. That`s funny you should say that, i`ve been meaning to ask you about that for so long now! Over the years since i bought that cd i`ve wondered why you kept going after the music stopped , at one point i thought maybe you had left it there to give people a little sneaky thing to practice to! I never thought that maybe you just didn`t want to stop! ;D Ah, i`ve just remembered something else i have wanted to mention about that song for a long time! In the first guitar solo in `Take a Look Around` between about 2:09 and 2:12 you do those little picked pedal tones at the top end of the run you where doing, well that really threw me and i wasn`t expecting to hear that so high up, i really love it and thought it sounded great! I love to hear little `surprises` like that in a solo! Take care! Willie Jordan.
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Post by Willjay on Apr 18, 2005 1:30:43 GMT -6
But the shocker was when I decided to listen to your O.F.R. solo. I have heard it was clean slow but I had to listen to the string skipping stuff and judge for myself. Well I honestly can admit I got pretty intimidated when I heard how clean it was at 1/4 the speed. I started practicing alot more after I heard that You are truely an amazing player. Yeah, that solo is `school` for string skipping! Mike, some day i`ve just gotta see you do that opening lick from the OFR solo with my own eyes! Willie Jordan
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Post by Michael Angelo Batio on Apr 18, 2005 8:17:38 GMT -6
All of the solos on the "OFR" CD were done in one take, no edits, punch ins, etc... The President of our label was in the studio while I was recording telling me to play faster! I have said this before in interviews- The label President Bob Cahill told me and this is a quote-"Michael, I want you to overplay, all of the time". I used a 36 fret guitar on that solo. The solo in the song "Shot Heard 'Round the World" was played on a 29 fret guitar. Regarding the "OFR" solo, I used string skips on virtually the entire track.
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Post by Neoclasiccl on Apr 18, 2005 12:07:35 GMT -6
All of the solos on the "OFR" CD were done in one take, no edits, punch ins, etc... The President of our label was in the studio while I was recording telling me to play faster! I have said this before in interviews- The label President Bob Cahill told me and this is a quote-"Michael, I want you to overplay, all of the time". I used a 36 fret guitar on that solo. The solo in the song "Shot Heard 'Round the World" was played on a 29 fret guitar. Regarding the "OFR" solo, I used string skips on virtually the entire track. simply awesome. Nothing better to over play once in awhile. Tends to keep the jaws on the floor.
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Post by reid on Apr 23, 2005 1:29:35 GMT -6
Years ago i was messing around trying to work out speeds against a metronome using a calculator, when i stumbled across the fact that : because there are 60 seconds.............. Thats an interesting passage, Willie... now I just have to see how fast I can actually go. I'll post back here once I figure it out, which will probably be tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by reid on Apr 23, 2005 12:49:34 GMT -6
OK, so I brought out the metronome and heres what I came up with -
The fastest I could play with a clear sound was about 145 bpm (6 notes per beat, of course), so that is 14.5 notes per second? But more realistically, when I tested with more intricate licks I averaged closer to 120bpm (6n.p.b.), 12 notes per second. Anyone else?
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Post by Willjay on Apr 23, 2005 13:30:17 GMT -6
Btw, i forgot to mention, i (personally) always clock myself (alternate) picking licks/excercises that involve crossing over the strings at some point during each repetition, after all, it is crossing over from one string to another (at full speed) that is the tricky part! Also, lets try and keep it as accurate as possible when doing this! Willie jordan
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