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Jun 16, 2005 13:58:53 GMT -6
Post by Adji on Jun 16, 2005 13:58:53 GMT -6
There are modes yeah, but i was recently reading on the net there are modes of modes?? i.e. A mixolydian verison of the Phrygian. Is this true?
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Jun 16, 2005 14:55:49 GMT -6
Post by clameo on Jun 16, 2005 14:55:49 GMT -6
Never heard, sound a bit strange to me, where did you get this info from?
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Jun 16, 2005 15:00:35 GMT -6
Post by Adji on Jun 16, 2005 15:00:35 GMT -6
I reall cant remember, when reading it it kind of made sense but sounded very very advanced, the likes of things only MAB would know
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Jun 16, 2005 15:03:06 GMT -6
Post by clameo on Jun 16, 2005 15:03:06 GMT -6
I reall cant remember, when reading it it kind of made sense but sounded very very advanced, the likes of things only MAB would know The most advanced things I know of are harmonic and melodic minor's modes, but hey I'm just a beginner.
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Jun 16, 2005 17:41:41 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 16, 2005 17:41:41 GMT -6
I suppose if you played a phrygian scale starting on the 5th and ending on the 5th it would be a mixolydian phrygian. But it's also just the Locrian.
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Jun 16, 2005 18:38:04 GMT -6
Post by NotGuest on Jun 16, 2005 18:38:04 GMT -6
I suppose if you played a phrygian scale starting on the 5th and ending on the 5th it would be a mixolydian phrygian. But it's also just the Locrian. You wanna say that in english?
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Jun 16, 2005 20:34:31 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 16, 2005 20:34:31 GMT -6
Right, done a lot of googling and people are arguing a lot on forums all over the place over modes of modes and how they work. It's extremely advanced and I think it's fairly pointless to worry about it until you know the major and minor modes inside and out. And even then it's probably pretty pointless unless you are doing a degree in music But yes, they appear to exist ;D
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Jun 17, 2005 6:39:26 GMT -6
Post by TRPLEXXX on Jun 17, 2005 6:39:26 GMT -6
I think that having the knowledge of modes and scales it is a great weapon to have but do you really think when jamming that you remember all these stuff and play them, i guess probably having some ideas of scales and apply them in the key you are playing will give a better way to fit your solos i guess anyway just me i play by ears and that only can be controled by yourself so training your ears is the best thing that can happen to you, cause you never say ok now i am going to play this scale and now this other one and now and so on, ok if you are writing a song and some of the existing scales will help you to compose here is where the knowledge of the scale will help you and you really never play scales as scales but as if you were singing with the guitar or trying to sound as another instrument make sure to bend scales is a tool use them in your solos but not as a scales just my opinion ANYONE with other opinions please ? it is good idea to learn from others
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Jun 17, 2005 6:52:37 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 17, 2005 6:52:37 GMT -6
No you don't usually just sit and play scales when you're soloing but having a good knowledge of which modes belong to which parent scale, and having their positions on the fretboard burned into your brain is invaluable when you're improvising. I strive for that
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Jun 17, 2005 6:55:31 GMT -6
Post by TRPLEXXX on Jun 17, 2005 6:55:31 GMT -6
Ok so are you agree with me ?
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Jun 17, 2005 8:37:43 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 17, 2005 8:37:43 GMT -6
I think if you have a knowledge of theory and scales you don't literally think in your head "oh I'm going to play in Eb Phrygian over this", you just do it because your fingers know the shape. I think we pretty much mean the same thing, just expressing it differently
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Jun 17, 2005 13:48:04 GMT -6
Post by Adji on Jun 17, 2005 13:48:04 GMT -6
Cheers for the research Succubis. I only know a few modes but quite a few sclaes but im gopnna wait till a while beofr ei learn them in depth, im useless with theory.
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Jun 18, 2005 8:59:50 GMT -6
Post by judas on Jun 18, 2005 8:59:50 GMT -6
modes of modes. technically speaking you could treat any mode as a scale and derive modes from it, as well as chords. you could take any 7 tones regardless of whether they are a mode of another scale. treat the mode as if it was the base scale, derive modes and chords from it using its intervals. sonically it would work just fine. how this is expressed in theory is beyond me. you could take any 7 tones, make them up yourself. derive modes and chords from it. try it!
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Jun 18, 2005 9:15:26 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 18, 2005 9:15:26 GMT -6
That's what they do in Indian music, they make scales called Ragas just from whatever notes give the mood they want to convey. We did a bit about Ragas in music class at school years ago, pretty interesting stuff.
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Jun 18, 2005 9:36:13 GMT -6
Post by judas on Jun 18, 2005 9:36:13 GMT -6
That's what they do in Indian music, they make scales called Ragas just from whatever notes give the mood they want to convey. We did a bit about Ragas in music class at school years ago, pretty interesting stuff. indeed. cool stuff. takes alot of the mystery out of scales and modes. a very generic approach that makes it very easy for anyone to create music.
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Jun 18, 2005 9:48:18 GMT -6
Post by Michael Angelo Batio on Jun 18, 2005 9:48:18 GMT -6
There are modes that are called Hypodorian, Hypolydian, etc... They are usually referred to as "Church modes". The "Church modes" were a medieval system of notes based on the white keys of a keyboard starting on D,E,F, and G. They became obsolete and were replaced in the 17th century by the Major and Minor scales and modes associated with them. Maybe this is what you were referring to regarding "other" modes?
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Jun 18, 2005 13:18:07 GMT -6
Post by Succubus on Jun 18, 2005 13:18:07 GMT -6
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Jun 20, 2005 20:55:51 GMT -6
Post by VooDooChildxi158 on Jun 20, 2005 20:55:51 GMT -6
It could be an abstract mode my teacher let me copy a book of his that had like 150 pages of different scales coming from all over the world not the standard chessy American ones!
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Jun 20, 2005 22:59:21 GMT -6
Post by Michael Angelo Batio on Jun 20, 2005 22:59:21 GMT -6
I am not sure what you mean by "chessy (maybe cheesy) American" modes. Modes have been in existence since the ancient Greeks developed the beginnings of what is now our tonal system. Thousands of years before the United States was even a country. There are modes based on "tetrachords" that are called "Greek Modes". They are very similar to what I earlier described as "Church Modes".
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Jun 21, 2005 1:51:37 GMT -6
Post by reid on Jun 21, 2005 1:51:37 GMT -6
you're so wise... like a miniature buddha, covered in hair.
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Jun 21, 2005 10:02:44 GMT -6
Post by Michael Angelo Batio on Jun 21, 2005 10:02:44 GMT -6
Sounds like you mean a "troll"!
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Jun 21, 2005 14:59:52 GMT -6
Post by TRPLEXXX on Jun 21, 2005 14:59:52 GMT -6
Michael, I was checking the freight train tabs from troy and when ended the solo it end on G note but before that there is a double sweep from the 17 frett but in the your video version it seen to me to be different can you tell if it is different , please Thanks
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Jul 17, 2005 11:30:29 GMT -6
Post by coolguy on Jul 17, 2005 11:30:29 GMT -6
Modes are like algebra.... plain and simple It's easy to understnd the basics but this madness of modes in modes.... ? UGH! - Andrew
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Jul 17, 2005 11:31:50 GMT -6
Post by coolguy on Jul 17, 2005 11:31:50 GMT -6
troll lol
- Andrew
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Jul 22, 2005 19:46:48 GMT -6
Post by sixstringsweep on Jul 22, 2005 19:46:48 GMT -6
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