I LOVE Breaking Bad! It's the best TV series I've ever seen, it ***s that its over now, and I won't spoil anything but I think it had a perfect ending too, I just wish that we could have gotten another season out of it! Seriously one of the most intense drama/action shows ever, but with just enough comedy here and there to keep it from getting too dark.
I never would have expected Brian Cranston outside of the comedy genre after Malcolm in the middle, but damn did he nail the character!
Post by Cybersquatch on Nov 7, 2013 17:27:10 GMT -6
I keep hearing how great this show was by a co worker he is constantly on my case to watch it, so I got a good deal on the first 3 seasons and purchased them.............don't know when I'll get the chance to buckle down and watch them I don't have a lot of free time these days but I will eventually get to them and now I am more anxious because of you guys I already know you have impeccable taste so that has influenced me all the more!
Breaking Bad is only the best show to ever grace television.
I believe that honor goes to Dallas, the original version - not the TNT "continuation." I'm sure some of you young whippersnappers here aren't old enough to remember what it was like when Dallas was in its prime but people were literally talking about it everywhere! The "Who Shot J.R. episode got a record Nielsen rating of 53.3 and a 76% share, and it was estimated that 83 million people watched the episode, more than the number of voters in that year's presidential election. And that 83 million people estimate is for The USA alone. Dallas was a worldwide phenomenon. Dallas aired from 1978-1991 and had 357 episodes, nearly six times the number of Breaking Bad episodes made before they stopped making Breaking Bad.
I do like Breaking Bad though. It's the best TV show I have seen in recent years. It's interesting how polarized fans are regarding wheether they liked cerrtain characters or not. For instance Walter White, the main character and the protagonist of the show is well liked by almost all fans, though they differ on how good of a man they think he was. Skyler White, his wife, in contrast is absolutely despised by many of the show's fans. There is even an I hate Skyler White Facebook page with "likes" in the tens of thousands! Walter White's business partner, Jesse, is also both loved and hated by fans of the show. Jesse, a degenerate meth-head who cooks crystal meth in a fairly small operation is recruited by the brilliant chemist Walter White whose knowledge of chemistry allows him to make an extremely high quality type of crystal meth. He knows nothing of how to sell it thoug, so he recruits Jesse as his partner despite nit liking Jesse and all of Jesse's flaws, and the fact that Jesse was Walter White's student in high school where Walter White teaches chemistry. Jesse failed Walter White's chemistry class. But still Walter recruits Jsse to sell the meth because Jesse is the only person he knows who is involved in that world and has any contacts of potential customers as well as knowledge of how it is sold.
Walter White, a very milquetoast type man, is diagnosed with cancer at the beginning of the show. he realizes that he may only have a few months left to live and when he dies, his wife and 2 children will be left poverty stricken if he doesn't find a way to make a lot of money fast to leave for them. That's the whole reason the until then law abiding and respectable Walter White "breaks bad" and becomes a crystal meth cook.
I'd be interested in hearing from fans of the show if you thought Skyler was an ungrateful, cold, nasty woman, or if you liked her. What do you think of Jesse. I didn't like how he was ungrateful for the many many times Walter White literally saved Jesse's life. I also hated how he spoke with such a weak vocabulary that many times it seemed the only two words he knew were "yo" and "b**ch." He managed to find a way to use the technically non-word "yo" into almost every sentence he spoke. I saw him as a degenerate with no skills of any real value, no ambition, and no activities he enjoyed in life aside from playing video games and smoking drugs. He was incredibly ungrateful as well to Walter White for all the times he saved Jesse's life. Jesse also had an obsession with kids that I found creepy, an obsession bordering on Michael Jackson proportions.
That's an interesting thing to consider. When I first watched through the series, I initially did rather think Skyler was a prat. But all things, considered, one must suspend their fondness of Walt and realize what he did to his family. In the pilot, we have a rare, one time glance at pre-suspicion Skyler, before Walt tells his first lie out in the desert, and in my opinion she seems like a perfectly pleasant person. In her defense, her suspicions were practically proven true(and then some) . As much a fan I am of Walt as a fictional character, he's really a terrible person. I don't think he's the most evil person ever, as he has his moments where he's sympathetic. SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He made an honest to god attempt to save Hank(although it's Walt's fault they're all there to begin with) Walt offers all his money. That says a lot about Walt. His money was everything. But all that being said, I can't fault Skyler. Her husband was a manipulative, lying, ruthless man, and she saw him for it.
As for Jesse, I again have to suspend how much I like Jesse as a character. I think Jesse made a lot of stupid decisions, firstly and fore-mostly associating with Walter White. As for him being ungrateful... I'll admit that Walt did save Jesse a number of times, but it was just about always in Walt's best interests to do so, as well as Jesse's. It would be one thing for Walt to save Jesse when he didn't have to. Don't forget that this man let Jesse's girlfriend OD while he watched. I gotta say, Jesse's vocabulary is one of my favorite things about him. I thought it added some comic relief to the show that wasn't Saul. As for Jesse's soft spot for kids, I wouldn't call it creepy at all. In my experience it's like being a dog or cat person. Some people are good with kids, and some aren't. I'm in my twenties and I adore children, as long as they aren't little brats, but I'd take offense to anyone implying that there's anything creepy about it. I wouldn't want to be likened to a deviant, just because I find children to be engaging and surprisingly insightful at times, in their brutal honesty.
Interesting comments about Hank. Yes, Walt did everything he could to save Hank's life, but still failed. And it was because of Walt that the gang of hit-men were there, however there are two very important points to consider that go along with that: The gang of hit-men were there because Walt ordered a hit on Jesse after Jesse threatened to do worse than burn Walt's house down, saying that would be "too good" or "too easy" for Walt to only have his house burned down. To me that implies murder of Walt and/or Walt's family, or at the very least assault with the intent to commit serious bodily harm. In light of that, Walt made the self-defense move of ordering a hit on Jesse, a pre-emptive strike if you will.
The second point is it was Hank's job to go after gun wielding criminals. If Hank followed Walt and ran into more bad guys as a result, then Walt provided Hank with the opportunity to not only arrest Walt but to arrest the gang of hit-men. Walt actually assisted Hank in finding criminals far more dangerous to the general public than he, considering Hank at that point had already quit the meth business and was a dying man with little time left to live. The gang of hit-men on the other hand were a gang of men that were a huge threat to the general public and unlike Hank, would not all be dead from cancer in a short time. Taking them off the streets should have been Hank's objective! For Hank to arrive at such a scene with only one man to back him up showed very poor planning, and it cost Hank his life. That doesn't change the fact that Hank willingly decided to devote his career to finding bad guys, and while in the pursuit of one bad guy should have been prepared for the possibility of encountering several bad guys. Hank failed to take the necessary precautions. Walt helped Hank find the gang of hit-men by ordering the hit on Jesse and it's not Hank's fault that he was unprepared to take on the hit-men when they arrived at the scene. Hank was out looking for bad guys and he found them!
Walt showed greater loyalty to family than to business when he offered to trade all the money he'd ever made in exchange for the hit men letting Hank live. If Hank had showed greater loyalty to family instead of business, he could have turned a blind eye to Hank and nobody extra would have died as a result because Hank had already quit the meth business and was dying soon anyway. However, Hank chose to place his loyalty to The DEA above his loyalty to family and that was his downfall. Lives would have been saved including Hank's own if he had placed his loyalty to family above his loyalty to The DEA and rationally surmised that Walt, out of the meth business and soon to die of cancer was no longer a threat to society as long as Hank had just shown loyalty to family and left Walt alone. Walt still would have died soon. Walt's wife and kids wouldn't have had to lose their home and business. Hank would have lived and his partner would have lived as well. All that would have happened if Hank's priorities were in the right place. Family comes first.
Regarding Walt saving Jesse's life numerous times, what does it matter to Jesse whether it would be good for Walt of Jesse lived (which didn't even turn out to be true but that's another story). Jesse still got his life saved. He was alive instead of dead all because Walt took action time after time to save Jesse's life. Walt's acts of saving Jesse's life deserved tremendous gratitude. Whether or not it would also be good for Walt is inconsequential to Jesse. The important thing to Jesse is Jesse still got the benefit of being able to live because Walt saved him, time after time. Also consider that Walt took risks to himself to save Jesse. Naturally if somebody were to risk his own well being to save somebody's life, there must be a reason behind it. A rational man wouldn't risk his life and potentially leave his wife a widow just to save a complete stranger, a stranger that could turn out to be a rapist or who knows what. Only the irrational man would jeopardize all he values in life to save the life of a person who he knows nothing about, a person who might well be a rapist or child molester. The rational man would only risk his life to save another if the person he is saving is someone he values highly enough to risk potentially losing his own life in the process of saving or at least attempting to save the other.
Last Edit: Dec 27, 2013 1:15:46 GMT -6 by blackjack
Walt was a criminal. Plain and simple. It was Hank's job to catch criminals. There is no "family loyalty." This isn't the Mafia. We aren't watching The Godfather. If my sister was cooking meth and murdering people, I'd turn her in, family loyalty be damned. Was it loyal of Walt to lie constantly and put his family in danger in the first place? You seem to be a big fan of Walt, and you're arguing from that instead of from an objective viewpoint. Just because he's the main character, doesn't mean everything he does is right. You can like the fictional character without sanctioning his actions....
As for Walt actually helping Hank find criminals, LOL. I'd like to see how that would stand up in court. Calling in backup does not, in any way, shape, or form, equate to assisting in the locating of criminals. That's like shooting someone in the leg, then expecting them to be grateful for finding the ammunition. Walt called them with the intention of having them kill someone. One thing I agree with was that Hank was ill-prepared. Not telling the DEA, while somewhat sensical, in the end was a bad move. But Hank's death is, and always will be, Walt's fault.
As for Jesse, you keep saying Walt saved him "time after time." Let's see, there's the pilot episode, there's running over the gangbangers, and there's saving Jesse from the two cronies in the lab. So that makes the count......three times? Jesse shot Tuco, Jesse saved Walt by killing Gale, Jesse convinced Gus to not kill Walt(for a while), Jesse got the tar beat out of him by Hank, because of Walt. Walt essentially killed Jane, and poisoned a child. So your saying that Jesse should have more gratitude? Meh, not so much. I'm not denying that Walt has done things for Jesse, but they bad things far outweigh the good things. Lets not forget that Jesse's initial involvement in Walt's drug career was only due to Walt's blackmail.
Hank wanted to see Walt rot in prison. Walt was a dying man with little time left and was already out of the meth business so what would Hank have been accomplishing to make society a safer place by putting Walt in prison? Nothing! It just would have been a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, all to satisfy Hank's ridiculous ego. If it weren't for Hank paying for the best physical therapy possible, something Hank's insurance was unwilling to do, Hank likely wouldn't have even regained his ability to walk.
Hank showed no family loyalty. His loyalty to The DEA came before his loyalty to his family. That's a screwed up sense of priorities. He could have at least had a talk with Walt and said something like "Unless you can show me that you are completely out of the meth business, I'm going to try to put you in jail." He didn't even do that and Walt was out of the meth business! If your sister only used to cook meth and had stopped, and only had a few months left to live due to cancer would you still turn her in? If Hank would have just let cancer kill Walt and not try to hunt him down to put him in prison think of how much better off Marie, Skyler, and Walt's kids would have been. They wouldn't have lost their house and their carwash business, relegated to living in poverty. Marie wouldn't have been a widow. But in Hank's mind allegiance to the all mighty DEA outweighs all of these negative results to his family and for that, Hank was absolute scum.
Walt did help Hank have the opportunity to rid society of the neo nazi gang by leading that gang right to Hank. If Hank hadn't had such a ridiculously overly inflated ego, he would have gone into that situation with the manpower capable of overwhelming the neo nazi gang. Walt even warned Hank by saying "If you don't know who I am anymore then my advice to you is to tread lightly." So Hank went into that situation without informing The DEA and getting the necessary back-up and got himself killed in the process. In the end, Walt had to do Hank's job for him by ridding the world of that neo nazi gang. Walt avenged Hank's death as well in doing so, but people seem oblivious to those facts. And yes, I do consider Hank saving Jesse's life at least three times something Jesse should have been grateful for. Walt didn't kill Jane. Jane killed herself. Jesse was alive at the end. If Hank hadn't saved his life, Jesse would be dead. Don't forget Jesse chose the criminal life before Walt ever talked to him about a partnership. That was the life Jesse chose - a lifestyle that put his life in danger on a regular basis. So what kind of logic are you using where Jesse shouldn't be grateful to Hank because being alive doesn't outweigh being dead?
Post by nitropickinnut on Sept 20, 2014 17:53:10 GMT -6
walt was a criminal plain and simple lmao..... he also had cancer and his health coverage would rather him die than pay for his treatment..... he also got riped off by his best friend who made millions off walts ideas.... WALT BROKE BAD... why do u think so many people love the show? he did what people really want to do when they realize how unfair life can be...