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Post by blackjack on Nov 12, 2013 15:58:25 GMT -6
This thread is about great debut albums by metal bands - anything from hair/glam metal to thrash metal.
I love Holy Diver by Dio! What a great album. At the time Vivian Campell was one hell of a guitar player and he was blazing on solos like the ones for Rainbow In The Dark and Don't Talk To Strangers. Vivian Campbell was a very fast guitarist, especially for the time period, and I think his playing on this album is still his best work ever! Lots of Gary Moore influence but still plenty of originality creating his own identity.
Too Fast For Love by Motley Crue is one of the best albums Crue ever did. They were young and hungry to make it to the top. They were living in abject poverty at the time this was recorded, all except Mick Mars sharing a little apartment with barely any money for food. If you've read the band's biography "The Dirt" you know what I'm talking about. For the reasons I listed, this is some of the most authentic, heartfelt music they ever recorded.
Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden is a tremendous debut album. The opening song "Prowler" showed they could rock, the epic "Phantom Of The Opera" showcased Steve Harris's unique bass style, and the songs "Remember Tomorrow" and especially "Strange World" showed they could have a very mellow, trippy, almost Pink Floyd type feel as well.
The Warning by Queensryche showed how much talent this band from Seattle had. Geoff Tate's vocals are exceptional on every song and "Take Hold Of The Flame" is an absolute classic! The epic "Roads To Madness" showcased the band's progressive side with many different sections each with it's own tempo, feel, and style. The emotion in the vocals is tremendous as Tate really sounds tortured as he "walks the road to madness."
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Post by dannyjoecarter on Nov 12, 2013 19:30:16 GMT -6
I was a big fan of Vivian's playing back then and how he really dug in and sounded very heavy handed. I guess that was something he got from Gary Moore, who when you listened to him play at that same time era, he sounded as if he was going to break his guitar.
And the vibe a feel of Iron Maiden was just awesome to listen too especially for me on Piece of Mind and Somewhere in Time.
Those other bands you mentioned were great for what they did but I personally never really got into either of them.
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Post by Blue on Nov 13, 2013 5:42:38 GMT -6
Good topic, I feel inclined to comment.
Ironmaiden is obvious, I shouldn't need to say more.
Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" is also a great debut album. It's one of the very best Thrash metal albums ever IMO.
Pantera's "Cowboys From Hell" although this is not a debut album I feel that it's worth mentioning because it really is sort of a debut to the new Pantera sound. They completely changed style with this album. Pre and post CFH is two completely different bands in terms of music.
Racer X - Street Lethal, thats another great debut. The riffs and soloing by Paul Gilbert is just great all through the album.
I always liked Clawfinger's "Deaf Dumb Blind". This is probably the only album and songs I like in this genre.
In later years I really like:
SikTh - The Trees Are Dead & Dried Out Wait for Something Wild Scar Symmetry - Symmetric in Design Sybreed - Slave Design
And especially TesseracT - One, which I think is one of the best metal albums ever. I feel a bit sorry for them because they will probably never make a better album than that.
Then there's some bands that only released one album which I like:
Hiss Of Atrocities Outworld
Simplfied list of bands:
Ironmaiden Metallica Pantera (1990) Racer X Clawfinger SikTh Scar Symmetry Sybreed TesseracT Hiss Of Atrocities Outworld
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Post by blackjack on Nov 13, 2013 6:20:58 GMT -6
Now some debut albums that are great albums not only for their songs but for the way they revolutionized guitar playing:
Van Halen by Van Halen
Blizzard Of Ozz by Ozzy Osbourne - Randy Rhoads took classical music and found ways of putting it into his heavy metal guitar playing. He was a true guitar hero that died way too young.
No Parole From Rock 'n Roll by Alcatrazz - Yngwie is awesome here in songs like Hiroshima Mon Amour, Kree Nakoorie, and Island In The Sun
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force - This is THE album that brought instrumental classically based heavy metal to the forefront in what would become known as the "neoclassical style." Not only that but Yngwie set the bar for virtuosic rock guitar technique. To this day he's still the godfather and the kind of neoclassical shred. Of then imitated but never duplicated!
Elegant Gypsy by Al Dimeola - he was really the pioneer in his technique of muting the strings while alternate picking blazingly fast runs. Back when this album came out, nobody was alternate picking that fast except for probably one guy:
The Inner Mounting Flame by The Mahavishnu Orchestra - John McLaughlin was the other guy besides Al Dimeola who was alternate picking at that speed and accuracy and clarity. This album blew a lot of people's minds with it's sheer virtuosity and it's fusion of Indian classical music and American jazz and a little Jimi Hendrix thrown in too!
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Post by Blue on Nov 13, 2013 6:52:16 GMT -6
I thought it was only metal? In that case there's tons of great debut albums
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Post by blackjack on Nov 13, 2013 7:21:55 GMT -6
I thought it was only metal? In that case there's tons of great debut albums Oops! I don't know what to say. It's early here, LOL
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Post by dannyjoecarter on Nov 15, 2013 21:06:36 GMT -6
Wow Blue - thanks for the info! SikTh, Scar Symmetry, Sybreed, TesseracT, I have never heard of those bands before so I will have to look into them. I'm guess I'm just getting old LOL! Actually I just rarely listen to guitar music so I'm out of touch. But I will have snoop around on Youtube! :-)
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Post by Blue on Nov 16, 2013 6:12:43 GMT -6
Wow Blue - thanks for the info! SikTh, Scar Symmetry, Sybreed, TesseracT, I have never heard of those bands before so I will have to look into them. I'm guess I'm just getting old LOL! Actually I just rarely listen to guitar music so I'm out of touch. But I will have snoop around on Youtube! :-) No problem man. you know what some people say "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". That is not true, it's BS, you can always learn and listening to new music which you haven't heard before is a great way to learn new tricks on the guitar There's plenty of bands in the style of SikTh and TesseracT. SikTh is a little bit of pioneers in this type of music (as far as I know), TesseracT has been around for a long time as an "underground" band but didn't release their first album until 2010 (their demos is actually even better than their first album IMO). Then there's a band called Periphery which is somewhat similar although I don't think they are as good but they are quite popular. There's more bands also but I haven't listened to them all. Of course Meshuggah is probably a big influence on all these bands but they don't sound like them, which is great because I found out that there was way to many bands that tried to copy them for a while. Then there a band called Animals As Leaders, which I actually should have mentioned. They are all instrumental and is a little bit more progressive, yet it's still instrumental shred metal music incorporating 8-string guitars. Tosin Abasi is a very creative guitarist. You should take a listen to them if you haven't already. Very refreshing music. And yes their debut album is great and the good thing is that their second album is also good. Scar Symmetry is good melodic death metal with good vocals and with the great guitar player Per Nilsson. Actually their second guitarist is also good, they complement each other very good in that band. Sybreed is quite a different band from others that I've heard. I guess you could call it Industrial death metal
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Post by jacoby3mnk on Nov 16, 2013 11:59:09 GMT -6
For me my list would have to include the following :
Nitro O.F.R. Megadeth Killing is my Business... Kiss Kiss Guns & Roses Appetite for Destruction
Newstead Metal
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Post by dannyjoecarter on Nov 17, 2013 0:20:33 GMT -6
For me my list would have to include the following : Nitro O.F.R. Megadeth Killing is my Business... Kiss Kiss Guns & Roses Appetite for Destruction Newstead Metal Hey Blue - yep I've heard and listened to AAL and yes that young man is very unique and very creative! Now I must confess, I really am the diet coke of metal LOL! Everything you have shared with me is way too heavy for me and actually made me. Great musicianship of coarse, however I've just come from a VERY blues based and southern rock influence. My name kinda of suggests that too LOL! Yep Dannyjoe, Fort Worth Texas. ZZ Top, Black Foot, OutLaws, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Ry Cooder. I also loved what was refered to as "Arena Rock" ( I picked up the guitar in 1978 ) so that was Peter Frampton, April Wine, Ted Nugent, MSG. As heavy as I every got was Judas Priest and Iron Maiden although I am and was a HUGE fan of Type O Negative and still have everything they ever did. Don't know how that one got in the mix but I really wanted to meet Pete Steel. Another confession, I met BlackJack on here back in 2008 and we are good friends and he just sent me a live DVD/CD set of Tori Amos! I dig Sarah Mclachlan and Loreena Mckennitt. Then I have a CD that I made that has Pantera and Michael Angelo Batio doing "Cat Scrath Fever". Ol' Ted now days isn't considered a "shred guitarist" but he sparked the interest in me to go that way! As did EVH and later Yngwie and MAB. But my southern roots always call me home and I gotta hear a little "Elvis" ( a term meaning southern blues based roots ) in what I'm playing or listening too. So depending on the day and mood I may cross a gamut of musical styles. Put it like this, NONE of my friends care to drive anywhere with me with my CD player on!
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Post by Blue on Nov 17, 2013 10:00:46 GMT -6
Hey Blue - yep I've heard and listened to AAL and yes that young man is very unique and very creative! Now I must confess, I really am the diet coke of metal LOL! Everything you have shared with me is way too heavy for me and actually made me. Great musicianship of coarse, however I've just come from a VERY blues based and southern rock influence. My name kinda of suggests that too LOL! Yep Dannyjoe, Fort Worth Texas. ZZ Top, Black Foot, OutLaws, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Ry Cooder. I also loved what was refered to as "Arena Rock" ( I picked up the guitar in 1978 ) so that was Peter Frampton, April Wine, Ted Nugent, MSG. As heavy as I every got was Judas Priest and Iron Maiden although I am and was a HUGE fan of Type O Negative and still have everything they ever did. Don't know how that one got in the mix but I really wanted to meet Pete Steel. Another confession, I met BlackJack on here back in 2008 and we are good friends and he just sent me a live DVD/CD set of Tori Amos! I dig Sarah Mclachlan and Loreena Mckennitt. Then I have a CD that I made that has Pantera and Michael Angelo Batio doing "Cat Scrath Fever". Ol' Ted now days isn't considered a "shred guitarist" but he sparked the interest in me to go that way! As did EVH and later Yngwie and MAB. But my southern roots always call me home and I gotta hear a little "Elvis" ( a term meaning southern blues based roots ) in what I'm playing or listening too. So depending on the day and mood I may cross a gamut of musical styles. Put it like this, NONE of my friends care to drive anywhere with me with my CD player on! Cool. Actually I have gone the opposite direction. I was really in to more old school metal when I was younger and have progressed more to the heavier type of metal. When I started to listen to bands like Meshuggah and Opeth. I have known about Meshuggah ever since I was a kid since they're from around the same "neighborhood" as me but never listened to them. For me it was all about bands like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple (which isn't metal BTW) Iron Maiden, I think the heaviest metal I listened to was Metallica and Pantera until around 2005 I think. Necrophagist was probably the first pure death metal music I liked but I think his second album is better than the first so I didn't include it in this thread for that reason. These days when I'm listening to metal I really want it to be heavy metal otherwise I just listen to some classical music, jazz or fusion or whatever
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Post by dannyjoecarter on Nov 17, 2013 20:11:02 GMT -6
Cool you like so many other types of music too! I heard Meshuggah when they first came out - my buddy loves those guys. I guess they were the first "math metal" type of band from what he has old me, or at least one of the pioneers anyway. Today is an interesting day musically for me, I started off with the Beatles "Hard Days Night" album then for whatever reason went to Cream, "White Room". Now I have Type O Negative "October Rust" on now and I love it!
You know looking back at BlackJack's original thread I think I hijacked it a bit off topic perhaps. Oh but Type O Negative might be considered metal - or no? Industrial?
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Post by Blue on Nov 18, 2013 5:38:02 GMT -6
Cool you like so many other types of music too! I heard Meshuggah when they first came out - my buddy loves those guys. I guess they were the first "math metal" type of band from what he has old me, or at least one of the pioneers anyway. Today is an interesting day musically for me, I started off with the Beatles "Hard Days Night" album then for whatever reason went to Cream, "White Room". Now I have Type O Negative "October Rust" on now and I love it! You know looking back at BlackJack's original thread I think I hijacked it a bit off topic perhaps. Oh but Type O Negative might be considered metal - or no? Industrial? Yes most definitely. I don't think their first album is great tho. It's good but I think their other albums is so much better so I didn't include them in this thread. Meshuggah (for me) is a band who has progressed to be better and better over the years. I feel the same thing about Opeth. By the way, Opeth is a really heavy band but they have released two albums which are mellow, it's not metal at all. Their album Damnation (2003) and their latest album Heritage (2011). They are definitely a very odd and interesting band. Most of their other songs have a lot of mellow parts also, they have a great mix of heaviness and mellowness and a very impressive thing is that they rarely tune down their guitars and still have a brutal sound The cool thing about Meshuggah is not only the sheer brutality in their sound, the groovy and complex riffs, the fact that Fredrik Thordendal is heavily influenced by Holdsworth makes it so much more interesting, that mix is just great. By they way his solo album Sol Niger Within (1997) is really cool. It's definitely something special and different. So I could add it to this thread since it's a debut solo album. He's working on a second album now which I'm really looking forward to.
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Post by Blue on Nov 18, 2013 5:49:49 GMT -6
And when we're talking about instrumental metal albums why not add Jeff Loomis and Paul Wardingham also, both did a nice job on their first solo albums.
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Post by blackjack on Nov 18, 2013 19:16:48 GMT -6
Cool you like so many other types of music too! I heard Meshuggah when they first came out - my buddy loves those guys. I guess they were the first "math metal" type of band from what he has old me, or at least one of the pioneers anyway. Today is an interesting day musically for me, I started off with the Beatles "Hard Days Night" album then for whatever reason went to Cream, "White Room". Now I have Type O Negative "October Rust" on now and I love it! You know looking back at BlackJack's original thread I think I hijacked it a bit off topic perhaps. Oh but Type O Negative might be considered metal - or no? Industrial? Yes most definitely. I don't think their first album is great tho. It's good but I think their other albums is so much better so I didn't include them in this thread. Meshuggah (for me) is a band who has progressed to be better and better over the years. I feel the same thing about Opeth. By the way, Opeth is a really heavy band but they have released two albums which are mellow, it's not metal at all. Their album Damnation (2003) and their latest album Heritage (2011). They are definitely a very odd and interesting band. Most of their other songs have a lot of mellow parts also, they have a great mix of heaviness and mellowness and a very impressive thing is that they rarely tune down their guitars and still have a brutal sound The cool thing about Meshuggah is not only the sheer brutality in their sound, the groovy and complex riffs, the fact that Fredrik Thordendal is heavily influenced by Holdsworth makes it so much more interesting, that mix is just great. By they way his solo album Sol Niger Within (1997) is really cool. It's definitely something special and different. So I could add it to this thread since it's a debut solo album. He's working on a second album now which I'm really looking forward to. I like Opeth. I have "My Arms, Your Hearse", "Blackwater Park", "Damnation", and the DVD "Lamentations" which is amazing! I really like the mellow songs on Lamentation that are from the Damnation album. It's so different from metal that I don't know what to call the music on "Damnation." It has a little bit of a Pink Floyd influence.
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Post by dannyjoecarter on Nov 22, 2013 13:55:33 GMT -6
Yes I've heard Opeth too, great musicians there as well. I think it was as you mentioned the Floyd influence that may have attracted me to some of there arrangements. Also I think Jeff is talented guitarist. I have a friend that told me once he tried out for Megadeth when he was very young, though I don't now if that's true or not.
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Post by blackjack on Nov 23, 2013 1:31:19 GMT -6
Yes I've heard Opeth too, great musicians there as well. I think it was as you mentioned the Floyd influence that may have attracted me to some of there arrangements. Also I think Jeff is talented guitarist. I have a friend that told me once he tried out for Megadeth when he was very young, though I don't now if that's true or not. Opeth has some mellow songs that would easily fit on a rock radio format, but since they are caregorized as "death prog metal" nobody would give their mellower songs a chance to be heard. It reminds me of how Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarayevo 12/24)" was sent out to at least 300 radio stations and not a single station would play it because of the band's name. I say because of the band's name because they then released the exact same song under the band name "The Trans-Siberian Orchestra" and almost every single radio station played it of the 300 or so that had refused to play that song when it was released under the Savatage name. The name Opeth is so associated with the death metal style vocals the band usually uses that for them the only answer to getting radio play may be having a second band name like Savatage did. The Opeth vocalist has a nice clean, melodic singing voice, but when he starts with the cookie monster vocals it can be hard to listen to for a lot of people. I'm rarely in the mood to hear that style of vocals because it's not melodic - it's anti-melodic. Unfortunately of what little heavy metal music there is today compared to the 80's, I'd estimate that more metal bands than not use vocals that have no melody. I hope this is a trend that subsides. It's kind of like cheating to "sing" that way because you just need words; you don't need the creativity to devise a melody that fits well over the music.
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Post by Blue on Nov 23, 2013 9:52:44 GMT -6
Yes I've heard Opeth too, great musicians there as well. I think it was as you mentioned the Floyd influence that may have attracted me to some of there arrangements. Also I think Jeff is talented guitarist. I have a friend that told me once he tried out for Megadeth when he was very young, though I don't now if that's true or not. Opeth has some mellow songs that would easily fit on a rock radio format, but since they are caregorized as "death prog metal" nobody would give their mellower songs a chance to be heard. It reminds me of how Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarayevo 12/24)" was sent out to at least 300 radio stations and not a single station would play it because of the band's name. I say because of the band's name because they then released the exact same song under the band name "The Trans-Siberian Orchestra" and almost every single radio station played it of the 300 or so that had refused to play that song when it was released under the Savatage name. The name Opeth is so associated with the death metal style vocals the band usually uses that for them the only answer to getting radio play may be having a second band name like Savatage did. The Opeth vocalist has a nice clean, melodic singing voice, but when he starts with the cookie monster vocals it can be hard to listen to for a lot of people. I'm rarely in the mood to hear that style of vocals because it's not melodic - it's anti-melodic. Unfortunately of what little heavy metal music there is today compared to the 80's, I'd estimate that more metal bands than not use vocals that have no melody. I hope this is a trend that subsides. It's kind of like cheating to "sing" that way because you just need words; you don't need the creativity to devise a melody that fits well over the music.Hey man I'm sorry but thats complete nonsense. Just because you're unable to hear a melody doesn't mean there's no melody there. I find it rather funny how you first criticize people for their prejudice towards a band because of their name and then you go on and do actually the exact same thing towards a certain style of singing. Yes growl is singing also and Mikael Ã…kerfeldt happen to be a really great at it, whether you're able to hear that or not is really not relevant. The reason you're assumption is the same as those "300 radio stations" is because you assume that all singers who growl sounds the same just as those "300 radio stations" assume that all bands in the death metal prog genre sound the same. So you're putting out just as much stigma as they are by saying that growling is a anti-melodic style of singing. To be fair I actually don't think you have even consider really carefully what melody and music actually is. It really has no clear cut definition because there's many parameters that plays a role, I think it would be healthy for everyone to actually take a good time to actually philosophize about music on a deep level and think about how it can be used. I don't think nearly enough people does that.
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Post by blackjack on Nov 23, 2013 15:38:50 GMT -6
Opeth has some mellow songs that would easily fit on a rock radio format, but since they are caregorized as "death prog metal" nobody would give their mellower songs a chance to be heard. It reminds me of how Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarayevo 12/24)" was sent out to at least 300 radio stations and not a single station would play it because of the band's name. I say because of the band's name because they then released the exact same song under the band name "The Trans-Siberian Orchestra" and almost every single radio station played it of the 300 or so that had refused to play that song when it was released under the Savatage name. The name Opeth is so associated with the death metal style vocals the band usually uses that for them the only answer to getting radio play may be having a second band name like Savatage did. The Opeth vocalist has a nice clean, melodic singing voice, but when he starts with the cookie monster vocals it can be hard to listen to for a lot of people. I'm rarely in the mood to hear that style of vocals because it's not melodic - it's anti-melodic. Unfortunately of what little heavy metal music there is today compared to the 80's, I'd estimate that more metal bands than not use vocals that have no melody. I hope this is a trend that subsides. It's kind of like cheating to "sing" that way because you just need words; you don't need the creativity to devise a melody that fits well over the music.Hey man I'm sorry but thats complete nonsense. Just because you're unable to hear a melody doesn't mean there's no melody there. I find it rather funny how you first criticize people for their prejudice towards a band because of their name and then you go on and do actually the exact same thing towards a certain style of singing. Yes growl is singing also and Mikael Ã…kerfeldt happen to be a really great at it, whether you're able to hear that or not is really not relevant. The reason you're assumption is the same as those "300 radio stations" is because you assume that all singers who growl sounds the same just as those "300 radio stations" assume that all bands in the death metal prog genre sound the same. So you're putting out just as much stigma as they are by saying that growling is a anti-melodic style of singing. To be fair I actually don't think you have even consider really carefully what melody and music actually is. It really has no clear cut definition because there's many parameters that plays a role, I think it would be healthy for everyone to actually take a good time to actually philosophize about music on a deep level and think about how it can be used. I don't think nearly enough people does that. No, I'm not the same as those 300 radio stations because whereas they make decisions on whether to play songs based sometimes on the name of the bands, I do play Opeth CDs. If you noticed I wrote which Opeth CDs I have and while I'm not a fan of growling in place of singing, Opeth has enough things in their music that I appreciate that I've kept buying CDs by them. They have some growling in the vocals that I could do without, but overall they're a talented band that I like and listen to. In contrast, which of those radio stations played "Sarajevo (Christmas Eve 12/24)"? What? None? Then what made them change their mind and decide to play the song? A change in the name of the band? There ya go! That's all it was. They didn't base their decision to start playing the song based on any musical change in the song whatsoever. They based their decision on a change in the name of the band and that's all it took. A change in the name of the band. I don't base my decision to criticize growling as a vocal style because of the name of it. You could call it growling, yelling, whatever you want and my opinion on it's the same. I don't like the sound of it. It doesn't sound good to me. It' sounds anti-melodic. That's my opinion on the growling, typical death metal style of vocals. So it's not nonsense; it's my opinion. That's what we're doing here - exchanging musical opinions. You don't have to like my opinion and you can disagree with it all you want but don't twist my words and say I'm doing the same thing as the 300 radio stations that wouldn't play a certain song based solely on the name of the band. Instead stick to what I actually said instead of twisting my words around and making assumptions about me when you don't even know me. I don't make assumptions about people on this forum who I don't even know. Their opinions provide plenty of things to talk about and I happen to like that there are a variety of opinions expressed on this forum. The world would be very boring place if everyone had the same opinion.
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Post by Blue on Nov 24, 2013 7:16:47 GMT -6
blackjack, thats fine if you express your opinion like that. You should have done that from the beginning. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't make it valid. But by expressing yourself in a opinionated fashion to start with will be better. Instead of just throwing out opinions like facts and calling out people for being "bad" musicians by saying that they are "cheating". Regarding the radio station thing, yes it is actually the same thing. Would you play something you don't like on your radio station if you had one? Probably not, right? Maybe the name thing is more extreme but it's basically the same thing in the end of the day. All growling, screaming vocals or what ever you want to call it doesn't sound the same. It's the same thing as all bands with certain names doesn't sound the same, all the time. Anyway, let's get back on topic. I would love to see more people participating in the thread and also in the forum as a whole. Otherwise it's just pointless to spend any more time here.
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Post by blackjack on Nov 24, 2013 17:41:36 GMT -6
blackjack, thats fine if you express your opinion like that. You should have done that from the beginning. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't make it valid. But by expressing yourself in a opinionated fashion to start with will be better. Instead of just throwing out opinions like facts and calling out people for being "bad" musicians by saying that they are "cheating". Regarding the radio station thing, yes it is actually the same thing. Would you play something you don't like on your radio station if you had one? Probably not, right? Maybe the name thing is more extreme but it's basically the same thing in the end of the day. All growling, screaming vocals or what ever you want to call it doesn't sound the same. It's the same thing as all bands with certain names doesn't sound the same, all the time. Anyway, let's get back on topic. I would love to see more people participating in the thread and also in the forum as a whole. Otherwise it's just pointless to spend any more time here. This is a thread titled "Great Debut Albums." Of course people are going to express things in an opinionated manner! In a musical discussion such as this, people don't preface everything they say with "This is just my opinion but..." That's just not the way people talk, or post, as the case may be. That would be awkward and entirely unnecessary. It doesn't mean people are "throwing out opinions like facts." It's simply understood that people are exchanging their opinions. I express my opinions strongly and I don't apologize for it. I've never found it necessary to personally attack the person making his opinion known. Personal attacks are poor form used by those who either lack the maturity or the ability to debate the actual opinions put forth in a discussion. Remember what I said about making assumptions about me? Then why are you saying if I had a radio station I probably wouldn't play anything I don't like? A radio station owner who only is willing to play music he likes is looking to go broke. If I had a radio station I'd play what my listeners wanted to hear. In order to run a profitable radio station I'd give the people what they want. I'd play new songs that I'd think my listeners would like. So, once again, don't make assumptions about me. We're here to exchange opinions about music. I really wouldn't mind if you were to say you hate every album that I said was a great debut album. I don't care if you want to say you hate Opeth even though I said I like them. I expect varying opinions. It's a discussion! From now on just don't make assumptions about me. This isn't a personal discussion and you don't know me.
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Post by Blue on Nov 24, 2013 17:53:19 GMT -6
blackjack, thats fine if you express your opinion like that. You should have done that from the beginning. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't make it valid. But by expressing yourself in a opinionated fashion to start with will be better. Instead of just throwing out opinions like facts and calling out people for being "bad" musicians by saying that they are "cheating". Regarding the radio station thing, yes it is actually the same thing. Would you play something you don't like on your radio station if you had one? Probably not, right? Maybe the name thing is more extreme but it's basically the same thing in the end of the day. All growling, screaming vocals or what ever you want to call it doesn't sound the same. It's the same thing as all bands with certain names doesn't sound the same, all the time. Anyway, let's get back on topic. I would love to see more people participating in the thread and also in the forum as a whole. Otherwise it's just pointless to spend any more time here. This is a thread titled "Great Debut Albums." Of course people are going to express things in an opinionated manner! In a musical discussion such as this, people don't preface everything they say with "This is just my opinion but..." That's just not the way people talk, or post, as the case may be. That would be awkward and entirely unnecessary. It doesn't mean people are "throwing out opinions like facts." It's simply understood that people are exchanging their opinions. I express my opinions strongly and I don't apologize for it. I've never found it necessary to personally attack the person making his opinion known. Personal attacks are poor form used by those who either lack the maturity or the ability to debate the actual opinions put forth in a discussion. Remember what I said about making assumptions about me? Then why are you saying if I had a radio station I probably wouldn't play anything I don't like? A radio station owner who only is willing to play music he likes is looking to go broke. If I had a radio station I'd play what my listeners wanted to hear. In order to run a profitable radio station I'd give the people what they want. I'd play new songs that I'd think my listeners would like. So, once again, don't make assumptions about me. We're here to exchange opinions about music. I really wouldn't mind if you were to say you hate every album that I said was a great debut album. I don't care if you want to say you hate Opeth even though I said I like them. I expect varying opinions. It's a discussion! From now on just don't make assumptions about me. This isn't a personal discussion and you don't know me. I have not made any assumtions about you, I simply asked. I'm done in this thread now. I have contributed my list of poor and "cheating musicians" to it. EDITED my post it contained irrelevant stuff.
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Post by motorbreath on Nov 25, 2013 16:18:24 GMT -6
Where to start, really. There are dozens if not tons to choose from. Some I was going to list have already been stated. So, here are some of my favourite debut albums I'd like to add
Breaking The Chains - Dokken Call to Arms - C4 (And sadly Michael's band's only album so far) Aerosmith - Aerosmith Sign In Please - Autograph
Anyone listen to Don Dokken's debut solo album, Up From The Ashes? Billy White and John Norum really unleash some great guitar playing.
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Post by jacoby3mnk on Nov 25, 2013 22:06:04 GMT -6
A few more I forgot on my first post:
Voodoo Violence--Mark Wood Mechanical Resonance-- Tesla Sleight of Hand-- Guy Mann Dude Jackyl-Jackyl Steel Panther-- Feel the Steel Blizzard of Ozz---Ozzy Osbourne
Not sure if they could be considered debut since they are "super groups" but also liked
Damn Yankees--Damn Yankees Contraband--Contraband Chickenfoot--Chickenfoot
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Post by Cybersquatch on Nov 26, 2013 20:30:21 GMT -6
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