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Post by S-H on Nov 28, 2006 14:58:31 GMT -6
That was Joey's best friend! Lol.
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Post by 39nps on Nov 28, 2006 18:18:01 GMT -6
this has nothing to do with this thread. there are too many stickies(clips) in this section of the forum. some need to be removed(not this one). for ex.: read this, etc..
the other option would be to expand the number of threads here. most people never check the 2nd page.
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Post by S-H on Nov 28, 2006 19:04:51 GMT -6
Wel the "MAB in Holiday Edition of Guitar World" & "Guitar World Readers Poll 2007- Vote for Mike" can be erased cos they are gone.
Mike probably hasn't won cos alot of stupid teenagers with a hard on over Petrucci read that mag.
What can ya do?!
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Post by baphomet on Nov 28, 2006 19:20:28 GMT -6
What does nps stand for?I 've never heard that before.
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Post by S-H on Nov 28, 2006 19:33:20 GMT -6
It's confusing cos nps when referring to scales is Notes Per String & as speed it's Notes Per Second.
What i do is have:
nps- Speed NPS- Scales
So there's a distinction.
Welcome to the forum.
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Post by baphomet on Nov 29, 2006 5:07:17 GMT -6
I've been playing guitar for a year now.I wanted to learn guitar because I was drawn to "fat,huge riffs".I am a fan of Metallica.But I learnt from my teacher that there are guitarists like Satriani,Vai and Micheal Angelo etc.,guitarists that I ignored.
And in 5-6 years time I would like to be able to "shred" like them.So for the time being I have focused a lot on developing technique.I use Troy Stetina's methods,Speed Mechanics and metal lead guitar.
About 3 months ago I could play 16th noteson a single string at 140 bpm.Now I do it at 160 bpm.But still it scares me how far away I am from the limits that alternate picking can reach.I 've seen Petrucci playing chromatic excercises in 16ths on video of his at 208 bpm.
And now I learn that Micheal Angelo is even faster!!Just how fast can you play 16ths?
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Post by S-H on Nov 29, 2006 15:10:57 GMT -6
Hetfield, Hanneman & Mustaine are the riff kings of metal for sure!
It's a shame how 2 of them have gotten SO bad.
Your teacher obviously knows his/her stuff! I live in a crappy area full of "Urban" music (rap, hip hop etc) so i didn't even find shred til i was 16. But in the 5 years i've gone mental with stocking up on shred, neoclassical & fusion albums.
I am learning to play through Troy's methods! Once again a great choice by yourself. The only thing i dislike about the book is the examples for the most part are in Minor Pentatonic scale, but i aplly it to the better scales anyway.
You'll be able to shred in 5-6 times no problem with dedication. How long per day do you practice?
Yeah to get to the highest level of alt pickers, it takes ALOT of time, dedication, hard work & also SLOW work. It can be very mind-numbing at some parts but i have posters up on my wall & look at them and think- they did it so no reason i can't!
Mike can do 16th Notes @ 240-245bpm, maybe more on a single string since it's easier staying in 1 position, than travlling around the board.
Some great payers for you to check out if you haven't already-
Shawn Lane RIP, Todd Duane, Tony MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth, Greg Howe, Jason Becker, Yngwie Mamsteen, Joe Stump, Chris Impellitteri, Marty Friedman, Paul Gilbert, Al Di Meola, Frank Gambale, Michael Romeo, George Lynch, George Bellas, Derek Taylor, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Brian "Buckethead" Carroll, Matthew Mills, Shane Gibson, Matthias Eklundh, Dave Martone, Derryl Gabel, Richie Kotzen, David Chastain, Michael Harris, Nuno Bettencourt, Warren De Martini, Alex Masi, Rusty Cooley, Scott Stine, Ritchie Blackmore, James Byrd, Ulrich Jon Roth, Borislav Mitic, Victor Smolski, Terry Syrek, Brett Garsed, Rob Johnson, Ronni Le Tekro, Scott Mishoe, Elias Viljanen, REB Beach.
Plus there's the Jazz players, Lead players in bands. If you want a list of all the great players IMO, PM me cos there are quite a few!
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Post by diabolet on Nov 30, 2006 8:56:05 GMT -6
I find it hard to believe Rivera doesnt like taffola. Listen to Out of the sun, he has ALOT better technique then gilbert, he knows how to fu*kn use it to!
Infra blue was a different story, but if you check out 'out of the sun' you should feel different.
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Post by kingofdarkness (red Panda) on Nov 30, 2006 9:20:17 GMT -6
i havent found gettign faster with my alternate picking very hard...I just go straight in and play it faster and faster...alternate picking has coem really easy to me now sweep picking on the other hand i cant seem to master....I think it might be my tone putting me off because i can do some simple sweeps but when i use my amp and distortion the sound is horrible and i think what the hell and then mess up...anyone have a MArshall MG30DFX and if so can you reccomend a good settings to use for sweeping?
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Post by Blue on Nov 30, 2006 9:39:34 GMT -6
i havent found gettign faster with my alternate picking very hard...I just go straight in and play it faster and faster...alternate picking has coem really easy to me now sweep picking on the other hand i cant seem to master....I think it might be my tone putting me off because i can do some simple sweeps but when i use my amp and distortion the sound is horrible and i think what the hell and then mess up...anyone have a MArshall MG30DFX and if so can you reccomend a good settings to use for sweeping? You have to mute it takes some time to "master", practice, practice and practice, I remember MAB said once that he played an arpeggio shape over 1000 times in slow tempo just to make it clean. Important with sweeping that you really can play it clean then just speed up, well, it's important that you do that with all thecniques but specially with sweeping cos it sounds so terrible if you can't play it clean, if it sounds bad you should slow it down. Remember, more distortion = more difficult.
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Post by baphomet on Nov 30, 2006 11:09:33 GMT -6
Sweep picking seems to be a technique that I will excel at!!I 've seen people who play guitar for years and can't sweep even at the slowest tempo!!
For the time being I find harder to improve alternate picking because of the picks I use.They are 100 mm thick,I need harder picks.
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Post by kingofdarkness (red Panda) on Nov 30, 2006 11:25:10 GMT -6
I can play it clean without distortion...But when the distortions on the top 3 strings sound terrible and the bottom 3 sound alright...my amps been playing up as it is...And sometiems the sound jsut goes horrible..Im waiting to take it in and have soemone look at it...
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Post by Blue on Nov 30, 2006 11:25:47 GMT -6
Sweep picking seems to be a technique that I will excel at!!I 've seen people who play guitar for years and can't sweep even at the slowest tempo!! For the time being I find harder to improve alternate picking because of the picks I use.They are 1 cm thick,I need harder picks. Thats true, you should try harder picks cos i guess you mean mm and not cm!? I prefer 1.5 mm. BTW how thick is the Jazz III picks? I've only tried Jazz II.
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Post by S-H on Nov 30, 2006 15:08:03 GMT -6
I find it hard to believe Rivera doesnt like taffola. Listen to Out of the sun, he has ALOT better technique then gilbert, he knows how to fu*kn use it to! Infra blue was a different story, but if you check out 'out of the sun' you should feel different. I've got both those albums & honestly i don't like him. I only listen to that album once in a while for MacAlpine's great keys playing. He's a "shredder" and can't play as fast as me. I know that's not what music is abou but damn.
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Post by evilempire on Nov 30, 2006 15:15:50 GMT -6
check his album Plastic.
has anyone tried clocking those old-skool uptempo bebop players ?
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Post by S-H on Nov 30, 2006 15:38:13 GMT -6
Well tbh, PLastic is WAY down my list cos there are a good 200 albums i want to get ahead of that & since i hated his first 2 i aint gonna rush to buy it.
Were there that many genuine be-bop guitarists in jazz though?
There were saxophonists, trumpeteers etc but i can only think of Charlie Christian as a "be-bop guitarists" unless you includ the latter players who were heavily influenced by them like Wes Montgomery?
But i don't think alternate picking wise they are that fast.
I do have a tab of Thelonius Monk & John Coltrane's "Blue Monk" for guitar which is tricky although speed wise (unless you alt pick it ALL) isn't that bad since it's generally 16th Notes @ 154bpm Swing Tempo with a few 5's & 6's thrown in but 90% is 16th Notes but that's Piano & Sax, not guitar.
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Post by evilempire on Nov 30, 2006 15:48:28 GMT -6
no i mean joe pass,herb ellis,barney kessell etc...
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Post by S-H on Nov 30, 2006 15:58:15 GMT -6
Sweep picking seems to be a technique that I will excel at!!I 've seen people who play guitar for years and can't sweep even at the slowest tempo!! For the time being I find harder to improve alternate picking because of the picks I use.They are 100 mm thick,I need harder picks. I use the Dunlop l Stubby 3mm picks & alternate picking is my strong point (although that aint hard since i can't sweep my doorstep!). So go for those- www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=23&pmh=products/picks
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Post by evilempire on Dec 1, 2006 6:01:54 GMT -6
so Rivera , y isn't Mr.Impellitteri in ur accurate picking list ?
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Post by S-H on Dec 1, 2006 16:50:11 GMT -6
Cos at his top speed of 16nps, he is sloppy. More so than Cooley.
He is cleaner @ 14nps which seems to be his median speed, but to be in "The List" lol, he'll need to be as accurate as Kee Marcello @ 14nps which he isn't.
I still love his playing though & he's 1 of my faves. No-one plays like him!
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Post by evilempire on Dec 2, 2006 5:33:19 GMT -6
i donno y u think he is sloppy !!
but i hear all the notes cleanly.
if u r talkin bout the stand in line album then thats some sloppy playing in there but Eye of the hurricane has some of the most clean runs i have ever heard.
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Post by S-H on Dec 2, 2006 8:24:30 GMT -6
Yeah it's cleaner than Stand in Line & Answer To The Master but not as clean as the players @ 16nps & 15nps in my top 15.
My 2 favourite Impellitteri albums are "Screaming Symphony" & "Stand in Line" & he is 1 of my favourite players but in the elite alt pickers he doesn't come close.
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Post by evilempire on Dec 2, 2006 8:50:54 GMT -6
well Mclaughlin was sloppy in his Mahavishnu days , i admit that even if he is my Biggest Influence.
and isnt there any forum mentioning legato players ?
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Post by Blue on Dec 2, 2006 9:40:03 GMT -6
well Mclaughlin was sloppy in his Mahavishnu days , i admit that even if he is my Biggest Influence. and isnt there any forum mentioning legato players ? There is an "Best Legato Player" thread , just search the forum The reason this thread is in the top is because MAB suggested it cos of the popularity of the thread.
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Post by evilempire on Dec 2, 2006 10:22:54 GMT -6
i know bout the best legato thread but there's no fastest legato player thread.
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